Another Slight Against Christ

[Andre]

Allowance has it limits though Pacfan because it becomes complacency.

If someone has the intent to attack another whether it is physically ,mentally,or spiritually they are in effect attacking themselves ,you are right.

Try it Andre? Do you think I bag others religions? Im not sure maybe i do ?
You may think it is only other belifes that are at stake here?

Mate,I dont practice any religion so mine cant be the only right one, either!
I dont have one at all .

Religion; I think Ive always stated that its my belief that the truth can be found hidden in most of them.I love what can be found in all of them when searching,Im sure I've said that!

I have a Muslum that works for me, I give him the prayer times to face Mecca. We are like brothers there is never a problem and we are equals.
I work along side others too,many Catholics and if the conversation comes up as it has here on numerous occasions they dont take it like an attack on them personally if I state historic facts and where it has all stemmed from and that I belive it is false teaching.

I admit I have said : the Catholic Church that has been born out of the Roman Church is founded on murder ,Greed ,power over their own flocks through fear and is money generated.

That isnt exactly attacking peoples religious belifes although it is attacking their direction I suppose.

There are good people in the Catholic religion but it wont stop me stating that its higher echelons harbour pedaphilles and sucks off others energies and money, change the sacred scriptures to suit its self to keep power over more people etc.

Im all for all Religions being the stepping stone to peoples own growth and enlightenment and draw from them what you will.


It is when they break the cardinal rule of stealing others free will and removing others power so that they rule over people via fear and keep those people suppressed is when you can speak up against it.

Sorry if you or others take offence at that and maybe consider it an attack.

Read Revelations,the Holy Bibles last book,it attacks the Catholic religion and those dressed in scarlet with gold on their altars. It attacks the Anti Christ it doesnt attack the masses that follow, it warns them about where they are situated.

I mean to say just look at it with both eyes wide open and the truth is there; Pedophillia is rife within the clergy,Thousands of children world wide suffering,then they continue to teach people to seek God outside of themselves and only in fear, which leads people towards their own spiritual demise!
THe Christian churches have given in to them and also hold the sabbath on the wrong day! Is it wrong to warn the practitioners?

Why should I be complacent about a group that uses the name of my God to go against what all of the brother hood of light stands for?

They do some good physically with money etc, but only right out in the face of public funding. But they have to becuase there really are nice people amongst them, look at the Sisters of mercy etc,they serve.

It is like if someone was running a project that your own father started, except they changed all his rules to suit themselves,even the rules your Father warned you about in his own bible that they would change and cause millions to turn away;
Then they continued using your own fathers and your own brothers name to continue to do it.
Should we be quiet and let it continue now that the time has come that they can no longer burn you and your entire families to the ground for speaking the truth about them?

Should we still remain quiet about what they continue to do for their own world power and domination over other religions?


If you see a train full of people who a belive they are heading for home but you know that the bridge is out; what do you do Pac fan?


Do you go home? Do you say to yourself: "Oh but thats what they belive in, its what they practice, let it be ,hey, I am at peace with it."

I think I have every right to stand up for our own and by our own I mean all the innocent people it can take down with it.

Questions raised on facts are not attacks. They are not even personal judgments, they dont have any running affects back to me as you insinuate because I dont judge people,I judge only the sin, so that my love for all is not diminished in any way.
I actually dont feel good or bad; but I know my own works or deeds and they dont just magically happen by me being complacent and at peace and letting others starve or walk the reverse way to where life abounds.

In Religions : Some people are lead ,some people are shoved,some people choose.

It is sad; two of those types you can't help until their own course has been completley run. One out of those three groups you can help and you must try because they are being held there or pushed along by fear and fear is the reverse to love.

What you say is correct. But I'm speaking of myself (and perhaps some others). My problem is that I'm not sure which religion and scriptures are true and which are not. As far as I know, they were written by ancient people and to me, at least, there's not much evidence which ones are true and which ones are not, and it's more like takings one's word against the others. And further, it has been made more confusing by propanganda from all sides these days. If the truth were crystal clear to me, I'd probably be doing what you do. But again, it's not, as far as I'm concerned. That's why I decided not to takes chances but go on focusing, but not necessarily turning blind eyes on, the positive of all religion, except of course those obviously incorrect beliefs or behaviors like blasting innocent people with explosives in the name of their religion. Besides, have you seen a sage who's grumpy?

(PS, about the 'try it' part, I just meant try feeling the aura (or energy) of people who post here, especially those who post extremely negative, and sometimes downright demeaning, comments about some religion or religious figures (of course I didn't mean you because you're comments are always reasonable). They sent out negative energies that you can feel (actually it's no big deal) if you are sensitive enough.)

I honestly dont think there is one mate ,I dont think you can say this right that is wrong.I know for a fact God is so much larger than any one religion too.
You can run a thousand miles from yourself or a religion dig yourself into the darkest gloom and when all is quiet and you give yourself back your time and you look within the creator is still there backing your every move.

But you can tell a religion by their works and the ones who stand on the street corners proclaiming their works have their reward so to speak.
(because they do it for recognition and power or money they receive from others for doing it).

As you say the bombing of innocents is an obvious one too.
But on the other hand my country Australia, England and the United States have just done exactly that in the name of freedom.
We have destroyed the lives of innocent men women and children.
We state Freedom they state Gihad.No difference they are all excuses for old men to send young men to their deaths cause they are all caught up in the I'm right your wrong syndrome: Which is actually worse for them in the big picture of their own evolution of spirit than what they do physically to themselves and others trying to prove it.

You Pac fan;I think and feel have chosen an amazing route to live in this life.
I must say that it is a hard road that your higher spirit has chosen with you. But the job you both seek is yours for the taking at the end of this route,I'm sure its a done thing bro.

I must say to be under the pressure that you are under to have to live on edge and guard and yet stay unattached and at peace and happy is something that one couldn't do instantly even by total acceptance;there is much more to it.

You have obviously trained and grown and evolved into the realm you have mastered within your surroundings. (you may think on some level that is by circumstance) but I know that you know.
I dont know why ,but for whatever reason,I think you have it sewn up mate;if its a job as High guard to the gates of heaven I think you've got it.

The other day you said about years of training and meditation has allowed you reach a certain point.

I said for Diz,maybe he doesnt need years maybe he can reach his way instantly if he simply accepts his own way.

I just want to say that wasn't a blight on your path or what you have accomplished in any way either.
There are a thousand thousand ways as you know and like religions they are all choices, sometimes ones made prior to our arrival here.
Some people are born more enlightened than we can ever hope to become in one life time but they too have made a choice to serve it one way.
As you know if any one actually thinks they have reached the pinnacle of their existance they just took two steps away from their own next lesson.
And in regards to my comments always being always reasonable! No they arent; Im as big a horses ass as the next bloke specially when prodded. :-)

[pacfan]

You know, Andre, I think of all the people here, you are perhaps the only one who needs no prodding. I believe that as much possible, one should let himself find his way, The way, and you are the only one here spiritually mature enough to do that on your own. That's why I've decided not to press myself on you as I do onto others (with other's I have no choice because they are spiritually not mature enough, and need guidance). Besides, I don't prod anyone because they're no horses.

[pacfan]

...That's why I've decided not to press myself on you...

What the heck did I say there! That was obscenity. I meant my views or ideas...