Hatton Cotto at catchweight 143/144??

[SweetPea]

I think Cotto would dominate Hatton, either at 147 or at a catchweight.

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Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

[James_Teja]

Cotto would defeat Hatton even at 140.

[Althugz]

Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

I kinda agree with that...That was always something that bugged me about Hatton and Margarito. I do honestly think that their advantages are taken away at 147 (or 154 for Margo) because their advantages aren't boxing.

Hattons advantages are being a bully (although he showed some nice skills last night)
Margarito's advantage is being a freakish 5'11 with long limbs giving him stupid power for 147. At 154 he becomes similar to the other fighters.

Hatton vs Cotto would be a great fight. Not sure who'd take it. Before last night I would have said Cotto. However at 147, I predict an easy night for Cotto who wouldn't be weight drained.

[OumaFan]

If Cotto could make the weight without being totally spent he would be too much for Hatton.

[ono]

Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).

If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.

Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.

[piye]

Cotto wins easily.

[SaltyBacon]

at any weight cotto wins

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Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).

If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.

Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.

Perhaps you are right, though I wouldn't have thought the size difference between junior welterweight and welterweight was all that huge, or insurmountable. He's taller than Cotto, for whatever that's worth. But if it is too much for him, then maybe he shouldn't be thinking about challenging DLH or Mayweather again.

There's a huge difference in talent between the two divisions, it'd make a big difference to his legacy if he could be successful among the elite welterweights. He doesn't really seem to be challenged at JWW. But maybe he just have the drive to make that move. It'd probably take a lot of work. He certainly doesn't need the money.

It'll be real interesting to see how PAC does at welterweight.

[ono]

Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).

If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.

Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.

Perhaps you are right, though I wouldn't have thought the size difference between junior welterweight and welterweight was all that huge, or insurmountable. He's taller than Cotto, for whatever that's worth. But if it is too much for him, then maybe he shouldn't be thinking about challenging DLH or Mayweather again.

There's a huge difference in talent between the two divisions, it'd make a big difference to his legacy if he could be successful among the elite welterweights. He doesn't really seem to be challenged at JWW. But maybe he just have the drive to make that move. It'd probably take a lot of work. He certainly doesn't need the money.

It'll be real interesting to see how PAC does at welterweight.

I agree on the talent aspect but i think on a level playing feel Hatton would fit in quite nicely with the talented bunch of fighters at welter (if the weight/size wasn't an issue). He wouldn't be able to dominate it like he does at 140 though.

Come fight night he probs weighs around 150-153 ish whereas some guys at Welter are going to be at 160+. It's a massive difference especially if you don't have the edge in technical ability.

I don't think he should fight Oscar or Mayweather again. Oscar = too big, Mayweather = too good (at any weight). I think Pac at 140 would be hugely competitive.

[JT Rock]

Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).

If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.

Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.

Agreed... Excellent post Yoko

[bambamdaddio]

Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).

If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.

Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.

And a good example of your point bud off the top of my head would be Marvin Hagler at Middle weight ... is he less respected or thought of by the masses for staying at Middle weight ... I dont think so...

And no Im not comparing Hatton to Hagler in any way at all ... just high lighting the point of dominating one division..

[Bomp]

This is a fight I'd like to see. 144 sounds reasonable as well.

It would be competitive while it lasts but i'd expect Cotto's superior strength to just eventually wear Ricky down by the 8th. I'tll never happen though.

[JT Rock]

This is a fight I'd like to see. 144 sounds reasonable as well.

It would be competitive while it lasts but i'd expect Cotto's superior strength to just eventually wear Ricky down by the 8th. I'tll never happen though.

I think at that weight Ricky is still a beast, he would have the faster hands, I would give him the edge in chin and stamina, and he would decimate Cotto's body, thats how Margo wore him down through body work and Ricky is on par with the best of body punchers.. Ricky looked like anew man against Malignaggi.. and would just be a haunt and scourge on Cotto all nite

I really believe that when you watch the highlights of Hatton Mayweather all of those lead rights that almost snapped Ricky's head off would have finished Cotto.. Sure it was a check hook that finished him, but Mayweather was beating him up pretty bad accumulativly.. Could Cotto have taken that?? I really dont think so

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Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.

Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).

If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.

Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.

And a good example of your point bud off the top of my head would be Marvin Hagler at Middle weight ... is he less respected or thought of by the masses for staying at Middle weight ... I dont think so...

And no Im not comparing Hatton to Hagler in any way at all ... just high lighting the point of dominating one division..

Where would Hagler have gone back in the mid '80s? LightHeavy? Who would he have fought that wasn't middleweight? There's tons of action in Welterweight. No action in SMW back in the mid 80s. I see your logic, but not the best of examples.