James Kirkland's performance last night

[DaxxKahn]

Yeah and he wasnt supposed to beat Vera last night,and he destroyed him,give credit where its due

He wasn't supposed to beat Brian Vera are you kidding me ? Brian Vera is one of the most limited boxers i've ever seen. God knows how Andy Lee lost to him.

Funny everybody here said Vera would beat him within 6 rounds

Don't know who on here said that butI never did..Who the hell is Vera?...His best win is over Samuel Miller....The win over Lee was because Lee was exausted and there for the punch...Until then Vera was getting his ass kicked....If he ever met Lee again Andy would not make the same mistake.....

[OumaFan]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

[Trainer Monkey]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

You kidding,on the lead up everyone was picking Vera,me and maybe two other posters were picking Kirkland
Dont rewrite history,most people on this board had Kirkland losing

[Fenster]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

You kidding,on the lead up everyone was picking Vera,me and maybe two other posters were picking Kirkland
Dont rewrite history,most people on this board had Kirkland losing

You taking the piss? Check the prediction comp, i bet not a single person picked Vera. No one gave him (thats Vera) a hope in hells chance (rightly).

Kirkland was a 1/10 shot with the bookies (that means he was virtually a cert).

I wasn't very impressed with him. His lack of concern for taking shots means he's an accident waiting to happen in my book.

[OumaFan]

I have no idea who these people were who picked Vera? They're like imaginary friends, imaginary friends who way overrated Vera.

25 out of 26 people who voted in the prediction contest picked Kirkland. I won't say who the one who picked Vera was except for the screen name CutmeMick.

[OumaFan]

By the way I was excellent on the prediction contest this past week. Like a focused Zab Judah.

[Fenster]

Cutmemick was obviously trying to be smart. ()

[Trainer Monkey]

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Re: James Kirkland vs Brian Vera as co-feature to Hatton/Malignaggi
Kirkland stamina will be tested. Vera chin is solid. This will be a good fight.

Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins





Re: James Kirkland vs Brian Vera as co-feature to Hatton/Malignaggi
I think Kirkland takes this one but his lack of Rounds/defense could catch up to him badly down the stretch



soulcocboy
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Re: James Kirkland vs Brian Vera as co-feature to Hatton/Malignaggi
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Kirkland stamina will be tested. Vera chin is solid. This will be a good fight.

Kirkland is more than capable of being at least as effective as "the Don" and that was over in two if I'm not mistaken.

First off with the contender he took last minute replacement while the rest of show had been training for almost three months and him only two weeks. Never has made an excuse 168 is not his weight fought art that weight because he is a fighter. James needs to watch out because he is finally getting the real training he needs just like he did against Lee. New fighter new erra for him. Watch for the upset . Lee is an awesome boxing and would handle Kirtkland. He is only five seven with heels on. Quit hating and watch the outcome of this fight. James is a greay fighter dont get me wrong but heart and determination will go along ways and he will be tested believe that. Its going to be fire works....

RozzySean
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Re: James Kirkland vs Brian Vera as co-feature to Hatton/Malignaggi
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I guess they are fixing the mess between Golden Boy & Gary Shaw regarding Kirkland.

It will be good to see Kirkland get some more exposure on HBO. I think he should take care of Vera pretty easily.


ESPN - Legal battle nears end, opening door for Kirkland-Vera battle Nov. 22 on HBO - Boxing

Definate showcase fight for Kirkland, easy money, easy to look good.

I'm sure Andy Lee thought the same thing.

RozzySean
Old Guard






Re: James Kirkland vs Brian Vera as co-feature to Hatton/Malignaggi
This is actually a dangerous fight for Kirkland. Vera is a bigger man. Sure he lost to Jaidon, but Jaidon is a true SMW/LHW. Vera has fought his whole career at or above 160. Kirkland is more polished, Lee and Codrington are both probably better than the guys Kirkland has faced. Vera is a step up for Kirkland in two ways - he's a step up in size and a step up in quality. That's a recipe for an upset.



CutMeMick


Re: James Kirkland vs Brian Vera as co-feature to Hatton/Malignaggi
I'm picking Vera TKO...

I like Kirkland and I think he's exciting as hell.
But I just think he's gonna be a little too wild and is gonna get caught by the more relaxed and composed Vera.
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I mean you can see how Kirkland was the prohibitive fave here right

[Rantcatrat]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them . I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.

[OumaFan]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them . I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.

I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.

Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.

[DaxxKahn]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them . I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.

I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.

Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.

He just has to tighten up his defense and relax in the ring...IMO his being fatigued may have been more of him tryinmg too hard then anything....But either way with all that crap Wolfe does to increase stamina he should have been fresh throughout......

As for Vera.....

The guy is tough as nails and can take a hell of a shot but it will lead to a very short career

[Trainer Monkey]

Trainer Monkey's not serious, is he?

Who the hell thought Vera was going to win? He was the opponent.

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up with Kirkland. He's fun to watch but he doesn't seem to take the need to improve his skills seriously enough. I wouldn't write him off versus Angulo though.

Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them . I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.

I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.

Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.

Daxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.

[DaxxKahn]

Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them . I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.

I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.

Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.

Daxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.

More of the problem is mate...Not that anyone is not wanting to give Kirkland credit for the win because it was a good one....Just that Vera did soo lousy that it seems almost unfair to give up too much credit to James....

When a fighter does as shitty as Vera did it becomes easier to criticize the winner for what he did not do to get the guy out of there or to look more stellar then just say..."Good Job"...........Kind of like..."With the way that guy fought he should not have even landed a glove..what's wrong with you"...

But that is not Kirklands fault....He had no idea on what Vera was going to come in and perform like......

On that same note we can ask ourselves ..."Did Vera perform like that because of what Kirland was giving him"...Which would add to James performance.....

Was a good win like I mentioned...he has a few adjustments to work on but he has time....No need to take away from his thunder....

[Trainer Monkey]

I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.

Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.

Daxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.

More of the problem is mate...Not that anyone is not wanting to give Kirkland credit for the win because it was a good one....Just that Vera did soo lousy that it seems almost unfair to give up too much credit to James....

When a fighter does as shitty as Vera did it becomes easier to criticize the winner for what he did not do to get the guy out of there or to look more stellar then just say..."Good Job"...........Kind of like..."With the way that guy fought he should not have even landed a glove..what's wrong with you"...

But that is not Kirklands fault....He had no idea on what Vera was going to come in and perform like......

On that same note we can ask ourselves ..."Did Vera perform like that because of what Kirland was giving him"...Which would add to James performance.....

Was a good win like I mentioned...he has a few adjustments to work on but he has time....No need to take away from his thunder....

Personally,I thought Vera would come in and impose his will,being the bigger fighter.Thats why Im giving Kirkland as much credit as I am,every time Vera tried that Kirkland allmost removed his head for it.
He was stiff,and Im sure he understood the historic signifigance of the fight,and that made him tight.It was the first time a female trained boxer co-headlined an HBO event ever.But even fighting in robot-mode,he beat the hell out of Vera.
Credit to Vera for this,he took an amazing beating out there,and kept wanting to fight.

[OumaFan]

Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them . I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.

I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.

Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.

Daxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.

I have always said the same thing about Kirkland, I like him, he's fun to watch, I just think he's got a style that will fail him at points. So its not really a matter of cutting him slack, my opinion of him has been the same for a while.

I was mainly just arguing the thing about Vera being a favorite, not Kirklaind's performance. He performed basically like I expected him too.