Calzaghe ducked the best?

[gudnite vienna]

its simple, he wanted to fight both of them but didnt want 2 travel back then.. Only has himself to blame i suppose...

[Andre]

its simple, he wanted to fight both of them but didnt want 2 travel back then.. Only has himself to blame i suppose...

After all,Wales is where its all at.

[gudnite vienna]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

[sonny78]

Lets face it Calzaghe was never a big draw even if he would have traveled I doubt they would have fought because he never had fans like Hatton untill he beat Lacy

Only person to blame is Warren

[hfahrenheit]

...Only person to blame is Warren

Not sure if it's true, but I like blaming Warren.

[Trainer Monkey]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

A suprisingly candid non homerish way of looking at it,sorry Vienna you can be a bit of a homer for Joe
The whole thing seriously screws with whatever legacy he was hoping to build,a highly questionable decision against an old Hopkins,beating and getting knocked down by a seriously spent Jones,and Lacy and Manfredo just got sparked.
He should have gone for it early,then we could have a real debate about his place in boxing history,but right now,Im looking at a gift decision,a has been,and two never really weres

[gudnite vienna]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

[Trainer Monkey]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

[gudnite vienna]

he beat hopkins who is still one of the top 5 fighters in the world, Stop making excuses up for kessler he got beat end of..

He beat Lacy, who everyone had as the favourite so he cant of been that shit, and of course eubank, who he beat more convincingly then anyone..

[Kirkland Laing]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

[Drago]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured

[Rantcatrat]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

A suprisingly candid non homerish way of looking at it,sorry Vienna you can be a bit of a homer for Joe
The whole thing seriously screws with whatever legacy he was hoping to build,a highly questionable decision against an old Hopkins,beating and getting knocked down by a seriously spent Jones,and Lacy and Manfredo just got sparked.
He should have gone for it early,then we could have a real debate about his place in boxing history,but right now,Im looking at a gift decision,a has been,and two never really weres

That is wrong. He dominated RJJ. You can't qualify that win at all. He definitively beat RJJ evidenced by the fact that Calzaghe didn't really fight the last two rounds. RJJ was badly cut, and Calzaghe completely avoided punching the cut. The Hopkins fight was close, but look how good Hopkins still is: in his next performance Hopkins completely shut down the middleweight champion of the world. Yet in the Calzaghe fight, he was content to run and clinch. Hopkins, the mastermind, fought a bad fight against Calzaghe. It wasn't by accident. Calzaghe took him out of his element. Moreover, that fact that Calzaghe went down twice and won both fights is further testament to his greatness, not a knock on it.

His legacy should and will be discounted by the lack of champion caliber fighters he fought in his prime, but it is still a very, very good legacy. Anyone who has Bhop and RJJ on his list of wins, regardless of when the fight took place, has a good legacy. Add Kessler, Lacy, and Bika to the list, and you have a very good legacy. Not the best, but a very good one.

[No Contest]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.

[bambamdaddio]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.

So working on your line of thinking bud when Hopkins tried to double his money to 6 m after his team had provisionally accepted 3 m,

Well I suppose ya could call that ducking too couldnt ya ... as its pricing yourself out of it....

[No Contest]

hey i agree with you.. but he was prepared to fight both of them years back but wanted the fight in wales...

He really did waste the best years of his career..

Now, come on, do you really think he could demand that, that was pre-Lacy fight.... He wasn't the bigger draw so he really couldn't ask that now could he...you can say thats ducking.

So working on your line of thinking bud when Hopkins tried to double his money to 6 m after his team had provisionally accepted 3 m,

Well I suppose ya could call that ducking too couldnt ya ... as its pricing yourself out of it....

Your gonna have to refresh my memory, when was this, because I never really heard of Joe until the Lacy fight. Your talking about a fight in the 90's? When B-hop and RJJ were in their prime? Why did Joe pull out of fights with Glen Johnson so many times? You cannot go and say Joe didn't pick and choose his fights back then. Theres a word for that, what is it....hmm coddled maybe?