Calzaghe ducked the best?

[Kirkland Laing]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

[Trainer Monkey]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

[Kirkland Laing]

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

[Rantcatrat]

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

[Trainer Monkey]

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Watch the Kessler fight,anyone can see he had a bad paw. Jeez,I told one of the people who watched it with me,he said he was hurt,without hesitation I heard,"It was his hand wasnt it?"
It was pretty freaking obvious

[bambamdaddio]

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Watch the Kessler fight,anyone can see he had a bad paw. Jeez,I told one of the people who watched it with me,he said he was hurt,without hesitation I heard,"It was his hand wasnt it?"
It was pretty freaking obvious

With respect bud .. JC had a crocked hand going into the Lacy fight, he was nearly out of that fight because of it ... but he went ahead & took his chance like Kess did ... thats boxing bud ... they take there chance and live by it...

Can you even imagine the stick that JC & his fans woulda got if Lacy had beat him then we started claiming re match because JC had a bad hand ....

They woulda laughed us outa the forum telling us he was beat fair & square ... & ya know what bud ... Id accept that, because if he chose to take the fight when injured & it backfired, then Id view that as his own fault .. thats life...

[ICB]

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Watch the Kessler fight,anyone can see he had a bad paw. Jeez,I told one of the people who watched it with me,he said he was hurt,without hesitation I heard,"It was his hand wasnt it?"
It was pretty freaking obvious

Come on TM im not even Joe Calzaghe fan but your being ridiculous now. Mikkel Kessler never complained about his hand before the fight. He was throwing right uppercuts at will, especially the one that almost took Joe Calzaghe's head off.

Hand injuries are common in boxing you should know that, you know how many times i've hurt my hands ? and i've only had 4 Amateur fights.

[bambamdaddio]

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Watch the Kessler fight,anyone can see he had a bad paw. Jeez,I told one of the people who watched it with me,he said he was hurt,without hesitation I heard,"It was his hand wasnt it?"
It was pretty freaking obvious

Come on TM im not even Joe Calzaghe fan but your being ridiculous now. Mikkel Kessler never complained about his hand before the fight. He was throwing right uppercuts at will, especially the one that almost took Joe Calzaghe's head off.

Hand injuries are common in boxing you should know that, you know how many times i've hurt my hands ? and i've only had 4 Amateur fights.

Well said mate but common knowledge re hand injuries and perseverance ... & if injured in anyway at all then its up to the camp to weigh up the risk factors involved .... & then to make a decision based on that information & also whats best for the Boxer too given all the circumstances..

[Kirkland Laing]

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.

[Trainer Monkey]

He had a bad hand in the same way that Pavlik had the flu the day before Hopkins beat him. Just two losers making excuses for losing.

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.

Bull,anyone could see his paw was damaged,the only reason he went through with the fight was he was afraid that Warren wasnt going to give him a second chance

[Kirkland Laing]

Pavlik never used that excuse. It came out afterward that he had the flu, but I've never heard him say that was the justification for his loss. He steadfastly admits he lost fair and square.

Yeah, they all do that. Kessler did the same thing. They make a bs excuse then say they're not making an excuse.

Bull,anyone could see his paw was damaged,the only reason he went through with the fight was he was afraid that Warren wasnt going to give him a second chance

I didn't think his hand was damaged at all. I think his people invented the hand story as an excuse if he lost. After the fight he was embarrased when he was asked about the hand and said it had nothing to so with him losing the fight, he knew he'd been beaten fair and square.

[Phil]

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

a guy with one hand? seemed to me he could throw pretty good bombs of uppercuts...

[bambamdaddio]

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

So he needs to rematch a guy he's already comfortably beaten then fight either an unproven contender or an unproven champion who just about managed to beat Glen Johnson to have a legacy?

He fought a tight fight,against a guy with only one hand,yeah I think that should be a rematch

Joe has had to do that & on numerous occasions too, has he has always still come thru to deliver the goods .... hands damaged or not...

Its a part of the make up that creates a champion & assists them when staying a champion at the top level,

Ya take ya fight, Ya take ya chance....If Kess's hand was damaged only he knows the true extent & wheter he should fight or not....

But nobody put a gun to his head to make him fight JC, he chose to do that ... so he must have fancied it enough to get in the ring & go for it, which he did in a decent fight....

But he lost to JC & lost fairly, he had his chance....There are lots of defeated fighters who fought good fights for titles who would want re matches & for obvious & various reasons...

Ya could end up saying then that anyone who goes the distance can have or create a reason or argument for both losing & wanting a re match..

You can make a list of re matches for any successful champion, most on there hit list would want another crack, be it for redemption, pride, money or whatever...

But the champion doesnt have to chase re matches ...... Not until he is defeated at least, then he goes on the list with all the others as WANTING TO BE A CHAMPION

[zhubin]

Last time i checked...the MAJORITY of big fights and big time fighters fight in the states (and i don't say that trying to be nationalistic...just a clear fact). So i have never given much credence to the argument that the reason prime Jones vs. Calzaghe didn't happen years ago...was Roys fault. He was the biggest star in boxing at that time...fighting in the country where the biggest fights take place. So he is supposed to go to Wales to fight Joe?! If Joe had the balls and a clear sense of his legacy...he would have brought his ass to the states back then. But what did he do instead...stay in comforts of Wales...until finally he comes to the states towards the end of his career to fight two 40+ year old fighters. Bravo Joe!!

[bambamdaddio]

Last time i checked...the MAJORITY of big fights and big time fighters fight in the states (and i don't say that trying to be nationalistic...just a clear fact). So i have never given much credence to the argument that the reason prime Jones vs. Calzaghe didn't happen years ago...was Roys fault. He was the biggest star in boxing at that time...fighting in the country where the biggest fights take place. So he is supposed to go to Wales to fight Joe?! If Joe had the balls and a clear sense of his legacy...he would have brought his ass to the states back then. But what did he do instead...stay in comforts of Wales...until finally he comes to the states towards the end of his career to fight two 40+ year old fighters. Bravo Joe!!

Joe had no choice after realising the other two ya mention would not fight Joe unless it was in there own backyard....Dont forget that during all this time Joe was a champion too ....

So why bow down to the other champions whims ... Joe had as much right to want to fight at home as the other two do....& if Joe had been an easy enough fight for them, whty wait, why not come over & kick his ass ... because they didnt fancy it...

So after years of waiting & of trying to get the fights at home & realising they will never come, he goes over to the states & wins both fights, as a 36 year old, no spring chicken himself...But he did it & won, yet its still not good enough