Calzaghe ducked the best?

[bambamdaddio]

There's enough quotes and stories from people involved with Hopkins and Calzaghe to SHOW Calzaghe was chasing a fight that didn't happen.

AS you just said "Boxing is a business." So when Joe became a BIG enough name, to earn both sides big enough money, the fights happened. That would make sense from a business point of view, right? Whereas fighting a no-name, who is CLEARLY extremely talented, would not have made sense back then, right?

So either way there's no dodging or ducking bollocks going on. The fights happen when they make business sense.

Thank you ... because Fensters post saved me some typing...& to zhubin There is a very naive school of thought by us deluded JC fans .....

& THAT IS,

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE JOE CALZAGHE WAS SIMPLY TOO BIG A RISK TO TAKE UNLESS THEY WAS TO BE GIVEN FORT KNOX FOR THERE EFFORTS BACK THEN.....

& Had Joe not gone to the states eventually, the fights would never have been made .... because Hopkins & Jones sure as hell had made it clear enough that there was no way that they would be coming to Europe let alone GB any time soon FACT.

3 Other Facts.....

1) No, I wasn't Joking...But surely you was when saying ..

"George Foreman could come out of retirement....fight Joe and lose....and some of y'all would find a way to dress that up as an accomplishment"

2) No, Im not ignorant, But to high-lite a pretty good deifnition of what ignorance is read the above quote from yourself, because for you to typcast JC fans per se as if we are robotic & lacking in any boxing insite where JC is concerned ... & for you to presume that Im some kinda JC cheer leader that bats his eye lashes at anything he does in the ring ...IS IGNORANT...

3) However, whatever, whenever....JC went to the states when it made good sense (A buisness you said, did you read the beggining of your post) & beat both the fighters that you mention & got more money than he would have a decade ago....

I apologize for writing that you might be ignorant. When things get heated...sometimes things are said that should't be. Fenster, the business end of boxing is a he said/she said affair. One fighter/promoter can say one thing...while another has a completely different side of the story. And let's say the Bernard fight wasn't his fault...that still doesn't excuse the majority of his career, until just recently, being in Wales. I am fully aware of Calzaghe's p4p status...but that doesn't translate to him being a "big name"...especially here in the states. The PPV sales for the Jones fight where very disappointing...imagine if Calzaghe was fighting someone of a lesser name than Jones here.

Mate apologies fully accepted ... ill take you of my ignorant list now lol, & no worries re getting heated ... we all do it & I think we will both agree that where JC is concerned opinions in some areas will always be divided ... & a good job too as we would not be on forums debating would we

[bambamdaddio]

Lol ... even if ya dont agree with Fenster ... what he states & the facts he uses really do make sense tho...

Lots of sense too

[ICB]

Bernard Hopkins for whatever reason priced himself out, and RJJ was too big of a star at that time, he didn't need Joe Calzaghe and didn't need to take the risk. Thats about it really Joe Calzaghe couldn't have really made many better choices, except move up to Light Heavyweight a few years ago.

When he said he was tight at the weight and im pretty sure he would of got a big fight, but then theres the flipside that if he would of done that. He wouldn't of been able to fight Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy. Which were big wins for him.

Theres few names here and there he could of fought at Super Middleweight, but overall he's done very well with his career. And if i was Joe Calzaghe i wouldn't really look back and say i missed any big opportunities.

It is a shame though Joe Calzaghe was a bit too young to fight fighters like Steve Collins, Mike McCallum, Nigel Benn, James Toney, ETC. I think he came along too late when all our best british fighters had retired or ETC. And most of the top American fighters had moved up in a different weightclass.

[bambamdaddio]

Bernard Hopkins for whatever reason priced himself out, and RJJ was too big of a star at that time, he didn't need Joe Calzaghe and didn't need to take the risk. Thats about it really Joe Calzaghe couldn't have really made many better choices, except move up to Light Heavyweight a few years ago.

When he said he was tight at the weight and im pretty sure he would of got a big fight, but then theres the flipside that if he would of done that. He wouldn't of been able to fight Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy. Which were big wins for him.

Theres few names here and there he could of fought at Super Middleweight, but overall he's done very well with his career. And if i was Joe Calzaghe i wouldn't really look back and say i missed any big opportunities.

It is a shame though Joe Calzaghe was a bit too young to fight fighters like Steve Collins, Mike McCallum, Nigel Benn, James Toney, ETC. I think he came along too late when all our best british fighters had retired or ETC. And most of the top American fighters had moved up in a different weightclass.

Simple but fair comment bud