Calzaghe ducked the best?

[joniebeeuk]

For me the argument that Calzaghe isnt all that cos he stayed away from the US and only went there at the end of his career is a non starter.Everybody says how he only fought Hopkins and Jones jr at the end of their careers,But nobody mentions that Joe is also at the end of his career,And his best days are behind him,You would think that Joe fought them in his prime by the one sided arguments.Who cares that he didnt go to the US,Boxing does exist outside the US,Two of Joes earliest wins were against Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank,Two British legends.The plain fact is that if Joe was American he would be the dogs bollocks but cos he aint the US dont want to know.

[ICB]

For me the argument that Calzaghe isnt all that cos he stayed away from the US and only went there at the end of his career is a non starter.Everybody says how he only fought Hopkins and Jones jr at the end of their careers,But nobody mentions that Joe is also at the end of his career,And his best days are behind him,You would think that Joe fought them in his prime by the one sided arguments.Who cares that he didnt go to the US,Boxing does exist outside the US,Two of Joes earliest wins were against Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank,Two British legends.The plain fact is that if Joe was American he would be the dogs bollocks but cos he aint the US dont want to know.

When did Joe Calzaghe ever beat Nigel Benn ? in a bar brawl ? because he never beat him in the ring.

[joniebeeuk]

For me the argument that Calzaghe isnt all that cos he stayed away from the US and only went there at the end of his career is a non starter.Everybody says how he only fought Hopkins and Jones jr at the end of their careers,But nobody mentions that Joe is also at the end of his career,And his best days are behind him,You would think that Joe fought them in his prime by the one sided arguments.Who cares that he didnt go to the US,Boxing does exist outside the US,Two of Joes earliest wins were against Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank,Two British legends.The plain fact is that if Joe was American he would be the dogs bollocks but cos he aint the US dont want to know.

When did Joe Calzaghe ever beat Nigel Benn ? in a bar brawl ? because he never beat him in the ring.

HaHa,Well done i was checking that everyone was on the ball,No youre quite right it was just Eubank wasnt it.

[ICB]

For me the argument that Calzaghe isnt all that cos he stayed away from the US and only went there at the end of his career is a non starter.Everybody says how he only fought Hopkins and Jones jr at the end of their careers,But nobody mentions that Joe is also at the end of his career,And his best days are behind him,You would think that Joe fought them in his prime by the one sided arguments.Who cares that he didnt go to the US,Boxing does exist outside the US,Two of Joes earliest wins were against Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank,Two British legends.The plain fact is that if Joe was American he would be the dogs bollocks but cos he aint the US dont want to know.

When did Joe Calzaghe ever beat Nigel Benn ? in a bar brawl ? because he never beat him in the ring.

HaHa,Well done i was checking that everyone was on the ball,No youre quite right it was just Eubank wasnt it.

Were pretty knowledgable here mate, you should learn alot here. And you should enjoy your time here, have some rep from me to welcome you to the forum.

[gudnite vienna]

its a shame Joe never got to fight Collins like he was supposed to, he would of been given a lot of kudos for winning that fight looking back now..

Wat do you think ICB?

[ICB]

its a shame Joe never got to fight Collins like he was supposed to, he would of been given a lot of kudos for winning that fight looking back now..

Wat do you think ICB?

Yes he would have but im not sure how much Steve Collins had left at that point, he had been in with alot of good names Mike McCallum, Chris Eubank x2, Nigel Benn x2, Sumbu Kalambay, ETC. And all those fights would of took something out of him.

But saying that he still looked like he had alot left in his last fight, he was actually knocked down in the opening seconds although no punch landed. But then that seemed to fire him up because he had Craig Cummings down later in the round. And he then proceeded to beat the living crap out of him.

I think Steve Collins would of gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle, Joe Calzaghe was inexperienced at the world stage at that time. And im not sure how he would of dealt with the rough/tough style of Steve Collins. Because history shows Joe Calzaghe has struggled in those kind of fights before.

It would of been a very good fight though and i can't really pick a winner, because Joe Calzaghe was still inexperienced. But Steve Collins also had eye problems, and he passed out in sparring while getting ready for Joe Calzaghe, so im not sure how much he had left.

[Fenster]

its a shame Joe never got to fight Collins like he was supposed to, he would of been given a lot of kudos for winning that fight looking back now..

Wat do you think ICB?

Yes he would have but im not sure how much Steve Collins had left at that point, he had been in with alot of good names Mike McCallum, Chris Eubank x2, Nigel Benn x2, Sumbu Kalambay, ETC. And all those fights would of took something out of him.

But saying that he still looked like he had alot left in his last fight, he was actually knocked down in the opening seconds although no punch landed. But then that seemed to fire him up because he had Craig Cummings down later in the round. And he then proceeded to beat the living crap out of him.

I think Steve Collins would of gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle, Joe Calzaghe was inexperienced at the world stage at that time. And im not sure how he would of dealt with the rough/tough style of Steve Collins. Because history shows Joe Calzaghe has struggled in those kind of fights before.

It would of been a very good fight though and i can't really pick a winner, because Joe Calzaghe was still inexperienced. But Steve Collins also had eye problems, and he passed out in sparring while getting ready for Joe Calzaghe, so im not sure how much he had left.

Howard Eastman sparked him in sparring.

He was too slow and didn't hit hard enough to beat Calzaghe.. even an inexperienced version.. still, would have been a good fight

[Trainer Monkey]

For me the argument that Calzaghe isnt all that cos he stayed away from the US and only went there at the end of his career is a non starter.Everybody says how he only fought Hopkins and Jones jr at the end of their careers,But nobody mentions that Joe is also at the end of his career,And his best days are behind him,You would think that Joe fought them in his prime by the one sided arguments.Who cares that he didnt go to the US,Boxing does exist outside the US,Two of Joes earliest wins were against Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank,Two British legends.The plain fact is that if Joe was American he would be the dogs bollocks but cos he aint the US dont want to know.

And I would add,that argument is a non starter
Bruno was huge here,the Klitschko's are both huge here,Valuev,Chageav
I keep having this same argument,but ignore Rocky 4, Americans just arent that nationalistic,its too big a country,the midwest and the Northeast have nothing in common whatsoever,and frankly dont care for each other

[bambamdaddio]

For me the argument that Calzaghe isnt all that cos he stayed away from the US and only went there at the end of his career is a non starter.Everybody says how he only fought Hopkins and Jones jr at the end of their careers,But nobody mentions that Joe is also at the end of his career,And his best days are behind him,You would think that Joe fought them in his prime by the one sided arguments.Who cares that he didnt go to the US,Boxing does exist outside the US,Two of Joes earliest wins were against Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank,Two British legends.The plain fact is that if Joe was American he would be the dogs bollocks but cos he aint the US dont want to know.

Well said mate & thats a lot like my own thinking too