Marvin Hagler's chin. How would it hold up to Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn.

[bambamdaddio]

Never mind I already posted on this and totally forgot

[Fenster]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

Just out of interest,who in the history of boxing would have beaten a prime Nigel Benn in your warped opinion.

Anybody who went in with a prime Nigel Benn with an orthodox defense and without a chin of granite would of been knocked out, unless they knocked him out before he knocked them out. Simple as that.

Michael Watson beat him because he opened his gloves and cupped both sides of his forehead, dipped in with those elbows to protect himself from bodyshots and remained upright and very close to Benn to not allow him the full leverage he liked. Watson's tactics were outstandingly brilliant that night, Benn's were unbelievably stupid (punching himself out on Watson's arms and gloves to the point where he would hit the canvas from a jab). Eubank beat him because his chin was made from a piece of granite.

What happened to DD?

[Bomp]

I just want to reply to this again because i know more boxing, than i did in 2006. Julian Jackson is the hardest 1 punch KO artist i've ever seen, he even had Mike McCallum wobbling in the 1st round of there fight, and i've never seen Mike McCallum hurt like that, and his chin was up there with Marvin Hagler.

I can see the fight going pretty much the sameway as that, with Marvin Hagler maybe being knocked down early or being badly stunned early. But he weathers the onslaught and comesback to stop Julian Jackson in the middle rounds.

Nigel Benn doesn't hit as hard as Julian Jackson IMO, although he did have some impressive wins over fighters with good chins like Doug DeWitt, Robbie Simms. But he was just as vunerable as Julian Jackson, although IMO he does have a better chin than Julian Jackson.

But i can't see him being much more effective than Julian Jackson, he would stun Marvin Hagler early. But his chin would give out and he would be stopped round about the 7th round.

John Mugabi is very overrated he may of hit hard but who did he ever stop worth mentioning ? and what was his best win ? i don't think your find any good names he beat at all. His record was inflated with nobodies, and he made his name giving a good effort against Marvin Hagler. Other than that everytime he stepped up he was blown away.

And i don't think Thomas Hearns hit as hard as Nigel Benn/Julian Jackson at Middleweight. Im not saying he didn't hit hard of course he did, what he done to James Shuler was frightening, but just for overall punching power Nigel Benn/Julian Jackson hit harder.

Lastly i'd just like to say Marvin Hagler was a better boxer than people give him credit for. The way he boxed against Bennie Briscoe, Eugene Hart, Vito Antuofermo 1, was just damn impressive. And his handspeed was pretty good aswell, he fought on the backfoot for majority of these fights, and he boxed very well on the backfoot.

Being able to stun Hagler depends on landing the actual punches and flush with full power. Like you said, be had great boxing skills to add to his unbelievable toughness.

With regards to the original question, i have no doubt that Marvin would tear both guys a new one. But if you're talking about just ability to take a punch, and you somehow persuade Marv to stand still with his chin out while Julian takes a run up................ well then who knows.

From the footage I've seen, my opinion is that Julian is the hardest puncher of the lot mentioned. But that's just opionion, and i always find first hand accounts interesting like scrap's. KO ratios don't depend entirely on force (stating the obvious i know) but also where on the trajectory of the punch the power is greatest and manouvering the opponent there, e.g. Tzyu's power seemed to be way more damaging at close to full extension. So the debate has many angles, and the debate depends on what is the main criteria e.g. measured power on a bag or how many opponents unconcsious.

I remember an interview with Mickey Rourke who said that Hearns was the hardest he was ever hit in sparring, yet when he had one look at Benn warming up he said to himself he ain't ever getting in the ring with that.

[ICB]

Just out of interest,who in the history of boxing would have beaten a prime Nigel Benn in your warped opinion.

Anybody who went in with a prime Nigel Benn with an orthodox defense and without a chin of granite would of been knocked out, unless they knocked him out before he knocked them out. Simple as that.

Michael Watson beat him because he opened his gloves and cupped both sides of his forehead, dipped in with those elbows to protect himself from bodyshots and remained upright and very close to Benn to not allow him the full leverage he liked. Watson's tactics were outstandingly brilliant that night, Benn's were unbelievably stupid (punching himself out on Watson's arms and gloves to the point where he would hit the canvas from a jab). Eubank beat him because his chin was made from a piece of granite.

What happened to DD?

He posts on Boxingscene now slagging off RJJ and hyping up Chris Eubank as usual, i have no idea how he gets all the info on Chris Eubank. I sometimes think he really is Chris Eubank, he is certainly weird enough to be him.

[Fenster]

Anybody who went in with a prime Nigel Benn with an orthodox defense and without a chin of granite would of been knocked out, unless they knocked him out before he knocked them out. Simple as that.

Michael Watson beat him because he opened his gloves and cupped both sides of his forehead, dipped in with those elbows to protect himself from bodyshots and remained upright and very close to Benn to not allow him the full leverage he liked. Watson's tactics were outstandingly brilliant that night, Benn's were unbelievably stupid (punching himself out on Watson's arms and gloves to the point where he would hit the canvas from a jab). Eubank beat him because his chin was made from a piece of granite.

What happened to DD?

He posts on Boxingscene now slagging off RJJ and hyping up Chris Eubank as usual, i have no idea how he gets all the info on Chris Eubank. I sometimes think he really is Chris Eubank, he is certainly weird enough to be him.

So he's still about then? Considering he is a loon i thought he probably ended up inside. Saddo must have banned him. Didn't realise.

[ICB]

What happened to DD?

He posts on Boxingscene now slagging off RJJ and hyping up Chris Eubank as usual, i have no idea how he gets all the info on Chris Eubank. I sometimes think he really is Chris Eubank, he is certainly weird enough to be him.

So he's still about then? Considering he is a loon i thought he probably ended up inside. Saddo must have banned him. Didn't realise.

Yea when this place is slow i sometimes have a quick browse on boxingscene, and i see him on there. His name is Orange something, its for certain for him i checked his posts there all about Chris Eubank or slagging off RJJ's amateur record ETC, basically the same stuff he posted on here.

[OumaFan]

I remember getting in a long argument (dragged in really, didn't want much to do with it) with DD about Roy Jones versus Darius Michaelzcheski, close enough, and having to constantly remind him that I was not a Roy Jones fan, in fact kind of disliked him, which DD just laughed off as the bullshit that Roy Jones fanatics constantly spout in order to act like they're objective. What a nut.

[holmcall]

Well, if he takes the best that Mugabi and Hearns had, he can take best of anyone. G-man would hva ebeen a good test as well.