Calzaghe ducked the best?

[Drago]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured

[bambamdaddio]

still think he'll have a couple more fights... If he beats Dawson and then Froch, he will of beaten two prime world champions, if froch wins that is...

But if he would of gone over to the states years ago he could of made himself one of the biggest stars in boxing...

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured

Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,

Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...

[Scrap]

See your Micky Duff quote Bambam, heres one He told me. Ive heard of a Born again Christian, but never a Born again Jew

[bambamdaddio]

See your Micky Duff quote Bambam, heres one He told me. Ive heard of a Born again Christian, but never a Born again Jew

He was awesome with some of his old lines ... me & my mates always called him the Elephant man because of his wispy hair and biggish fore head

[Trainer Monkey]

A rematch with Kessler and Froch or Dawson, then we can start talking legacy.
I hope he does exactly that
Not all of this is Joe's fault or even Warrens(but more Warren then Joe), but right now it stands that he's got a win over a clearly spent Jones, a "win"(haha) over a Hopkins in his 40's, a win over an injured Kessler,and two wins against guys who just got sparked badly.
This does not a legacy make, he torches Dawson or Froch,and rematches a healthy Kessler that has both hands,we're having a totally different discussion,and nobody will care about those earlier fights.

joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured

Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,

Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...

Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?

[CFH]

joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured

Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,

Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...

Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?

A case could be made that Calzaghe ruined Lacy.

The Kessler fight was not that close, Calzaghe clearly won, making the necessary adjustments and baffling Kessler in the later rounds. Kessler's injury shouldn't be used as an excuse, because it did not stop him from throwing and landing his best shots. Shots that JC handled well. Additionally, Kessler has done absolutely nothing since the fight to warrant a rematch.

The only rematch I want to see is the Hopkins one, but I'm in the minority.

[bambamdaddio]

joe fought lacy when joe himself was injured

Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,

Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...


(And one more thing, yes Lacy sucks, but the world didn't know that till JC destroyed him, no matter what they claim right now)

Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?

For Gods sake read Kess's own letter ... Ya could also say if Jones & Hopkins was that good then why not come to Wales or London to kick Joes ass ...

You could go on forever, fact is Kess made a good attempt to dethrone Joe ... but lost to a better man with no excuses ... he is the one who says that not me ... what more dya want ... a phone call from Mr K himself.


Bud, with champions there will always be clammers for re matches, there will always be claims of injured hands & management fall outs etc.

THATS BOXING

[Trainer Monkey]

Mate dont waste ya time ... I posted exactly what you said earlier on in this thread, but it seems it dont ccount for JC,

Like I also said that had Joe been beaten with a damaged hand against Lacy, then those of us claiming a re match on that basis would be laughed outa the forum by some folks or people that appear anti JC What ever the circumstances...

Yeah,because it turns out Lacy sucks
If your so sure Calzeghe would beat Kessler anywhere and anytime, give Kessler the rematch
I mean since your so sure and all,what could it hurt?

For Gods sake read Kess's own letter ... Ya could also say if Jones & Hopkins was that good then why not come to Wales or London to kick Joes ass ...

You could go on forever, fact is Kess made a good attempt to dethrone Joe ... but lost to a better man with no excuses ... he is the one who says that not me ... what more dya want ... a phone call from Mr K himself.


Bud, with champions there will always be clammers for re matches, there will always be claims of injured hands & management fall outs etc.

THATS BOXING

Why exactly,are you afraid of a rematch then?

[Mr140]

Dude because Kessler has done nothing to show he deserves the rematch he lost very clearly and has done nothing since then are you a blind man TM keep telling you and you act like you can not read you are like a broken record on this Kessler lost and thats all there is he has done nothing for a rematch Calzaghe equals better man what else you want TM i know you are a hater when it comes to Calzaghe but come on now it is getting old and you just seem not to see that you are wrong i guess.

[Mr140]

Also another thing you also thought Kessler won what happen to that now you changed it to his hand i mean come on Calzaghe won it is ok everything while be ok just because he won does not mean it while effect you in anyway if that is why you keep on going with this topic.

[bambamdaddio]

RESPONSE TO TRAINER MONKEY


Not afraid in the slightest but what you dont seem to appreciate is that Joe can now more or less pick his fights because of his success's like other successful fighters have been able to do .. he beat Kessler fairly no ifs or buts should Robin Reid, Bika, or Eubanks or even Roy Jones get re matches they all have or had reason...& thats just a random list of the top of my head ...

But the answer is no they dont, because re matches aint automatic, & as Ive already said there aint a successful champion born that dont get clobbered with the re match argument at some stage

But it feels to me like you just hate JC & are clutching at straws re Kessler ...

& forgive me for presuming but ya seem also to be from a small group of people that if being honest aint bothered about re matches or what ever ....

YA JUST WANT HIM TO FIGHT UNTIL DEFEATED SO YA CAN SAY TOLD YA SO .. HE AINT THAT SPECIAL...

BUT HE IS MATE, LIKE IT OR NOT...

[Mr140]

Wonder if the TM dude while read what people said or keep saying the same thing like he has for the past post i mean just wondering.

[WelshDevilRob]

What's Joe done wrong now?

Remained unbeaten? Done that.

Not stepped out of his back yard? Done that - Germany, Denmark and the US and if I wanna be pedantic then England and Scotland aswell.

Not been in a Unification? Kessler and Lacy anyone.

Longevity? Over 10 years as a champ.

Cameback from adversity? floored 4 times. Twice in the 1st and cameback to win.

Won while injured? Broke hand in 4th against Ashira and boxed onehanded to a points decision.

Not beaten anybody? Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell are all good competition - doesn't matter who else you beat - you still beat them.

Beaten undefeated opponents? Veit, Lacy and Kessler.

Think he's just about done it all.

Enjoy your retirement Joe and let the armchair doubters remain in their armchairs.

[bambamdaddio]

What's Joe done wrong now?

Remained unbeaten? Done that.

Not stepped out of his back yard? Done that - Germany, Denmark and the US and if I wanna be pedantic then England and Scotland aswell.

Not been in a Unification? Kessler and Lacy anyone.

Longevity? Over 10 years as a champ.

Cameback from adversity? floored 4 times. Twice in the 1st and cameback to win.

Won while injured? Broke hand in 4th against Ashira and boxed onehanded to a points decision.

Not beaten anybody? Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, Woodhall, Reid, Brewer, Mitchell are all good competition - doesn't matter who else you beat - you still beat them.

Beaten undefeated opponents? Veit, Lacy and Kessler.

Think he's just about done it all.

Enjoy your retirement Joe and let the armchair doubters remain in their armchairs.

Brilliant posting ...

[Mr140]

While were on this topic yea there are things Calzaghe could of done but o well he is not my favorite fighter in the world but he has done well.