Who is (or was) your favorite "stalk, stun and close" type of guy?

[Mr140]

Sugar Ray Leonard was a great closer people forgot how much power that guy had at welterweight he could really bang that and his speed made him a guy that was closes thing to a perfect fighter he had it all and could do it all he could box, brawl he had the strengh, speed, reflexs, chin and was very mentally tough he earned the right to have the name suger and not to many people can say that they deserved that name he could and it while be a while till there is a fighter that was like him maybe never.

[CGM]

Hmmm... I thought about this for a while, and for some reason the name Tony Ayala Jr kept coming to mind, particularly the stalking, stunning, and closing part. He was badass. Unfortunately he was also badass outside of the ring.

I liked all the SRL mentions. Another thing about him was, he could take a punch. You hurt the man, and he would come back strong.

[ICB]

I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

[CGM]

I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

[ICB]

I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in the two fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was one of the best stalking/come forward fights. He only stalked when he had to in the 2 fights with Thomas Hearns, and like i said earlier that wasn't his normal style he was forced to fight that way. 90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork.

the fighters i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread. They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there prey, when they made one mistake.

[CGM]

I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in both fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was on the best stalking/come forward fights.

90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork, the fights i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread.

They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there opponents, when they made one mistake.

OK, well I don't mean to split hairs, but I thought you said he stalked Hearns because Hearns was outboxing him. I said he stalked Hearns because Hearns went on his bicycle after being hurt, and Hearns still outboxed him while he was being stalked, for most of the whole 2nd half of the fight. Until Leonard moved in for the kill. Bit of a difference. Now if you are saying that's not how the fight went, then i'll have to go back and take a 2nd look.

[ICB]

I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in both fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was on the best stalking/come forward fights.

90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork, the fights i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread.

They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there opponents, when they made one mistake.

OK, well I don't mean to split hairs, but I thought you said he stalked Hearns because Hearns was outboxing him. I said he stalked Hearns because Hearns went on his bicycle after being hurt, and Hearns still outboxed him while he was being stalked, for most of the whole 2nd half of the fight. Until Leonard moved in for the kill. Bit of a difference. Now if you are saying that's not how the fight went, then i'll have to go back and take a 2nd look.

I haven't seen the fight in awhile but from what i remember, Thomas Hearns outboxed SRL from long range as SRL struggled to get inside while using movement in the first 4 rounds. Then SRL decided to stay flat footed and punch and he did have Thomas Hearns in trouble in the 5th round if i remember rightly.

I don't think Thomas Hearns really changed his tactics after being hurt, he was doing what he was from round 1 and that was using his superior reach. To outbox SRL from the outside, now this is the point in the fight im struggling to remember.

Im pretty sure SRL become the stalker after that and won a few rounds, then Thomas Hearns seemed to adjust to the style. And i believe SRL went back to boxing for another round or 2, then when Angel Dundee gave SRL his famous speech "Your blowing it son".

SRL went out there like a man possessed and hurt Thomas Hearns badly in the 13th, then stopped him in the 14th round with a barrage of punches.

The 2nd fight was pretty similar to the first first except for the knockdowns, with SRL using 50 percent boxing/stalking. But everytime he boxed he clearly got dominated, i don't know why he just didn't stick with stalking in the 2nd fight.

Because he was clearly having his best moments when he stalked. And he almost had Thomas Hearns out of there in the 5th and 12th rounds.

[holmcall]

I wouldn't class SRL as a stalker who come forward he was mostly a boxer who boxed on the backfoot. He only become the stalker against Thomas Hearns, because he had too because he was getting outboxed. The fighters i mentioned were always coming forward and stalking while picking there shots beautifully. The term "Stalker" does not apply to SRL at all.

I thought he had to stalk Hearns when Hearns got up on his bycicle after being stunned by Leonard mid fight. Stalked him the rest of the fight, even though Hearns was probably out boxing him. Moved in and finished when he had to. Leonard could really raise his game when he needed to.

But right, yeah, that wasn't his main style, only when he had to or when his opponent was running, then he could stalk with the best of them.

Thats exactly what i said in my previous post, SRL had to stalk Thomas Hearns because he had to. Because he was losing, and even in the two fights with Thomas Hearns when he had to stalk. He didn't constantly do it, he boxed atleast 50 percent in both fights.

Like i said i really don't know what SRL has to do with this thread personally, just because he was a great fighter doesn't mean he was one of the best stalking/come forward fights. He only stalked when he had to in the 2 fights with Thomas Hearns, and like i said earlier that wasn't his normal style he was forced to fight that way. 90 percent of the time he boxed using his footwork.

the fighters i chose like Marvin Hagler, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike McCallum, are perfect candidates for this thread. They constantly stalked there opponents picking there shots, and they were like hunters waiting to pounce on there prey, when they made one mistake.

Maybe closer would be a better way to say it. But he stalked Finch and LaLonde both.

[holmcall]

Hmmm... I thought about this for a while, and for some reason the name Tony Ayala Jr kept coming to mind, particularly the stalking, stunning, and closing part. He was badass. Unfortunately he was also badass outside of the ring.

I liked all the SRL mentions. Another thing about him was, he could take a punch. You hurt the man, and he would come back strong.

Tony Ayala Jr. Yep. He was some stalker and closer. He also was a lot like Tyson in that he would attempt to overwhelm (i.e., mug) his opponent early on. Mean one, Tony. I remember when he iced Epps and then spit on him.

[holmcall]

Points taken on SRL. He was a closer more than a stalker. Here is 8 minutes of stun and klill. The stalk part was not filmed but it led to the other parts. Great and savage endings. http://video.google.com/videosearch?rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7WZPA&q=Khaosai++Galaxy&um=1& sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#

[Trainer Monkey]

See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

[holmcall]

See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

Yes. Points taken. One of my favorites was Carlos “Escopeta” Monzon who seemed to push his punches and seemed stiff as he kept on coming, but ”seem” is one thing and “reality” is quite another. Once he commenced the stalk, few escaped. As writer Mike Casey put it, “Not to put too fine a point on it, there were times when Carlos Monzon looked downright ordinary when viewed through a strictly technical eye. Perhaps that is what threw so many people in the early days and what continues to throw the new generation"

[holmcall]

Here is another I wrote about some time ago: With a backdrop of "Puerto Rico! Puerto Rico!" rocking the arenas in which he did (and does) his work, Miguel Cotto tracked and destroyed such tough fighters as Zab Judah, Carlos Quintana, Kelson Pinto, Gianluca Branco (stopped for the first time in his career), Mohamad Abdulaev, Randall Bailey and Cesar Bazan. But then he met Margarito who has refined and perhaps redefined the technique

[Trainer Monkey]

See thats how I took the original intent of the thread,a guy who would just methodically hunt you down in the ring,not just blow your doors down. Thats why I went Hopkins,sooner or later he was going to hunt you down in there,you can run,but you cant hide.
Tyson in his prime just annihilated guys,Leanord just sniped them apart,B-hop just stalks them methodically

Yes. Points taken. One of my favorites was Carlos “Escopeta” Monzon who seemed to push his punches and seemed stiff as he kept on coming, but ”seem” is one thing and “reality” is quite another. Once he commenced the stalk, few escaped. As writer Mike Casey put it, “Not to put too fine a point on it, there were times when Carlos Monzon looked downright ordinary when viewed through a strictly technical eye. Perhaps that is what threw so many people in the early days and what continues to throw the new generation"

Again why I went with Hopkins,thats why he's so good,he doesnt have the biggest or fastest punch on earth, but he cuts the ring off and methodically beats the hell out of you. And heaven forbid you see him smile,because if he's smiling,he knows he has you.