Calzaghe ducked the best?

[Violent Demise]

Can you guys give me your opions and help settle an argument
I am debating with someone who believes that calzaghe did not go to the us in his prime thus avoiding b hop and RJJ in there prime what are your opinions please

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know

Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.

[Kirkland Laing]

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know

Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.

Glen Johnson was roughly as good as Clinton Woods who Calzaghe would have done a Jeff Lacy on. Calzaghe didn't fight him because of injuries not because he was worried about losing to him. Reid and Ottke wanted nothing to do with him, both were offered fights. And if you're honest you'd admit you backed Lacy against him but you hate Calzaghe so much you can't admit it.

And Hopkins had to cheat in the tenth round because he couldn't keep up with Calzaghe. He lost the fight and you just can't face it and you can't face that you were wrong about Roy Jones too. And you hate Calzaghe so much that you're now knocking Kessler when you used to tell us how good he is. Pathetic.

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These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know

Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.

Glen Johnson was roughly as good as Clinton Woods who Calzaghe would have done a Jeff Lacy on. Calzaghe didn't fight him because of injuries not because he was worried about losing to him. Reid and Ottke wanted nothing to do with him, both were offered fights. And if you're honest you'd admit you backed Lacy against him but you hate Calzaghe so much you can't admit it.

And Hopkins had to cheat in the tenth round because he couldn't keep up with Calzaghe. He lost the fight and you just can't face it and you can't face that you were wrong about Roy Jones too. And you hate Calzaghe so much that you're now knocking Kessler when you used to tell us how good he is. Pathetic.

I like how johnson mentions Joe pulled out 3 times against him, the 3rd time was on the condition he could beat Clinton Woods (shouldn't be a difficult task if you're world class operator). He should also be glad that Joe was injured, he would hardly have got fighter of the year if he'd have a UD loss against JC than two wins against ill prepared fighters.

[Fenster]

Glen Johnson - for a guy that is supposedly so "unlucky" had the greatest ever bit of luck that Calzaghe was injured.. which led him to the Roy fight - without which he is nothing.

[bambamdaddio]

Glen Johnson - for a guy that is supposedly so "unlucky" had the greatest ever bit of luck that Calzaghe was injured.. which led him to the Roy fight - without which he is nothing.

Well said bud...

[bambamdaddio]

Any knowledgeable poster knows Calzaghe ducked the best. He refused to come to US in his prime. He refused to go into Germany and fight the feather fisted Sven Ottke. Punked out against Glen Johnson 3 times. And after a hard, close fight that many felt he lost refused to rematch Robin Reid. Just like he's refusing to rematch Hopkins. Facts don't lie

These aren't facts, they're just your opinion, and why should we listen to somebody who's continually wrong about Calzaghe? You told us Kessler was going to beat him. You told us Hopkins was going to beat him and acted like a little kid after Joe won, claiming Hopkins won the fight. Then you told us Jones was going to knock him out.

Calzaghe fought Glen Johnson? When? He rematched Reid? When? When exactly did he travel into Germany for the Ottke fight? What I posted were facts. Not opinion. And this is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan as you know

Hopkins did beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe knows it himself. Why you think he's saying no to the rematch? Jones had the tools to stop Calzaghe. He just didn't have the age any more. And Kessler lack of heart was a disappointment. I was wrong to back Kessler. That I will admit was a mistake.

There is only 3 to 4 yrs difference with Cal & jones not 15 so come on be fair, if JC beat an old man up then its fair to say that its one old guy beating up another not some fresh faced savage kid agains a pensioner...but clutching at straws comes to mind...Hopkins did not beat JC bud the records state it & the majority of the voters on the forum agree with it....

Mate just because you & a few others thought he won dont change the history...Hopkins was a disgrace against Cal in my opinion ... and on his head butt & fein low blows embarrassment he dont deserve a re match ... the guy was embarrassing to many of us becvause of his shocking tactics ....

There has just been a pole in one of the threads on who really won that fight & it was massive in JCs favour ... the judges deemed he lost, & the majority of the boxing world did too ... end of..

Dont forget bud you hate JC & I really think it clouds ya judgement re the guy ... good to see ya back posting tho as you always shake things up & tell it as only you can ...

But ya still wrong

[bambamdaddio]

Re Ottka ....Whats the point of going to Germany where everyone and there Grandma knew Ottka had to be knocked out to get a draw .... Look at how Robin Reid got treat...

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Re Ottka ....Whats the point of going to Germany where everyone and there Grandma knew Ottka had to be knocked out to get a draw .... Look at how Robin Reid got treat...

Even though i was only young at the time, i seem to remember Sven Ottke. Wanting no part of Joe Calzaghe at all, Sven Ottke's reign was a farce he had atleast 8 controversial decisions, maybe he didn't deserve to lose all of them but i'd say. He atleast lost 50 percent of them.