1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Antonio Margarito
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Vic Darchinyan
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Re: Updated P4P Top 10
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Antonio Margarito
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Vic Darchinyan
My current list.
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1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.JM Marquez
5.Antonio Margarito
6.Ricky Hatton
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Israel Vasquez
9.Chad Dawson
10.Vic Darchinyan
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You can tell thats an unbiased listOriginally Posted by hattonthehammer
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Thats about the most accurate list you can find
Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....
Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world
And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!
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Hatton deserves to be above Cotto no doubt.
Cotto got knocked out by the one-dimesnional Tony Margarito. He beat Mosely but big wow. Hatton beat Kosta. Judah is garbage when faced with top fighters, Ricardo Torres just got KO'd in 1 round. Hatton forced Paulie to retire, Cotto never....The list goes on.
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I take it you didn't watch the Cotto fight. He was well ahead on the cards but got stopped. He was in no shape or form outclassed!
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I take it you never watched the fight!I take it you didn't watch the Cotto fight. He was well ahead on the cards but got stopped. He was in no shape or form outclassed!
It was dead level going into those last 2 and cotto just wanted it more
The only way you can compare cotto and hatton at the moment is how they both dealt with malignaggi, ricky won at a canter, cotto had to settle for 115-112 narrow points win.
ICB - The comparisons between what you just made for vasquez i could make the very same for hatton.
Israel has beaten the best in his division, so has hatton. Only with far lesser trouble and more defining.
Hatton only has 1 real blemish on his entire career which has involved fighting world class opposition for a good few years now!!
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Israel Vasquez is in one of the strongest divisions at the moment, Ricky Hatton is in one of the weakest divisions big difference.I take it you never watched the fight!I take it you didn't watch the Cotto fight. He was well ahead on the cards but got stopped. He was in no shape or form outclassed!
It was dead level going into those last 2 and cotto just wanted it more
The only way you can compare cotto and hatton at the moment is how they both dealt with malignaggi, ricky won at a canter, cotto had to settle for 115-112 narrow points win.
ICB - The comparisons between what you just made for vasquez i could make the very same for hatton.
Israel has beaten the best in his division, so has hatton. Only with far lesser trouble and more defining.
Hatton only has 1 real blemish on his entire career which has involved fighting world class opposition for a good few years now!!
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Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.
And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.
You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?
Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.
Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.
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How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.
And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.
You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?
Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.
Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.
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How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.
And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.
You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?
Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.
Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.
Apparently Castillo can only be classed as world class up to the hatton fight at which point he gave in because he couldnt be bothered any more!!
And cotto softened up paulie for hatton
Seriously the hatton bias on here is unbelievable!!!!!!!!
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i wouldnt call Paulie "world class" he might be #2 in the division but he has lost his 2 biggest fights and only beat Ndou and then gave him a rematch which he shouldnt have. now he has to fight Holt, Torres, or Bradley and i see him losing to those guys aswell.How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.
And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.
You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?
Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.
Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.
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JLC got a gift decision before his fight with Ricky Hatton, he looked like a shot fighter in that fight and he was. Thats why i didn't mention him he was a badly faded fighter and based on his recent performances, it proves my point.How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.
And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.
You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?
Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.
Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.
Paul Malignaggi ain't a bad fighter but world class ? no way he was lucky he didn't have 3 losses coming into the Ricky Hatton fight, the Jr Welterweight division is so poor at the moment, it speaks volumes that JLC could get a number 2 ranking only having 1 fight at that weight class, and someone of Paul Malignaggi's class getting a number 2 rating also proves how weak the division is.
I actually can't think of many weaker divisions, maybe the Jr Middleweight division but thats it.
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