Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[bambamdaddio]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

[CFH]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

[bambamdaddio]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

[CFH]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

[Trainer Monkey]

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

The words "Hatton" and "drive" rarelly if ever come up with out the words "doesnt have any" in the same sentence
I love watching Hatton fight,but face facts son,he's just about the laziest SOB who ever made that level as a fighter

[bambamdaddio]

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

[CFH]

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

[Trainer Monkey]

And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.

[bambamdaddio]

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

[CGM]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

[bambamdaddio]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...

[ICB]

The only thing Ricky Hatton could beat Floyd Mayweather at is a drinking contest.

[CGM]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...

no, you said Mayweather would have a tougher time of it at JWW. And I implied no he wouldn't, because he (Mayweather) is also sharper at JWW. I'm not disagreeing that Hatton is sharper at JWW, I'm just saying so is Mayweather, things cancel out. No big deal though.

[Pugilistic]

Hatton belongs at 140 because thats where he is natually stronger than most of his opponents and being stronger is a big part of his game because he likes to swarm, hold, hit.

At 147 that part of his game isn't as effective because the guys are bigger and stronger their as it showed with Collazo and Mayweather.

To me though that isn't an excuse to why he lost to Mayweather.

I feel even at 140 Mayweather would put on a very similar performance because he is simply the bigger, smarter, better boxer.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I havent read any of the replies to this thread so i appologise if this has been said already...

I know opposing fighters weights can vary greatly from weigh-in to fight night but the weight itself could not of been an issue here as Both guys must of been weighing the same that night.

Maybe it was a case of Floyd being bigger than Ricky thought. It is apparent that Floyds frame had grown over the years and the mistake could have been made that although Ricky was moving up in weight, he assumed he was facing a naturally smaller man.

I personally dont like to call Floyd a naturally smaller man. Its akin to me saying Ricky Hatton is a natural Middleweight becuase he consumes copious amounts of pies and guiness in between fights

Floyd was, at one point, STARVING himself to malke 130. Fact.

If both guys kept in resonable shape im sure there'd only be a half-stone differential in weight.

Never the less, Knowledge is power....
I believe the real issue is that Floyd had some key experience prior to Hatton in beating Baldomir and Dela Hoya, who were so much bigger in the ring than Hatton.

Dela Hoya Specifically because not only was he bigger but he was, beleive it or not, the 1st guy in a championship fight (maybe any fight) to have a bigger reach than Floyd.

Also Floyd had the knowledge of Hatton's last visit up at WW

Hatton would of stod a much bigger chance of winning IF the fight was made at 140 ONLY when Floyd was campainging at that weight. Floyd wouldn't of been so comfortable and Hattons pressure would of been more telling but Floyd would probably still come through just like he did with Castillo (albeit over 24 rounds)