Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[Trainer Monkey]

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

[bambamdaddio]

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

[CFH]

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

[bambamdaddio]

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

[CFH]

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.

It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.

There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.

[bambamdaddio]

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.

It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.

There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.

Yes ok, thats fine..

[Taeth]

I think you look at the difference in the fighter, Mayweather ability to move, and throw combinations decreased significantly as he went up to welterweight, it reminded me of Roy Jones when he took on John Ruiz. Ricky Hatton retained virtually the same speed in every department, he looked the same. WHen a guy like Mayweather really has to bulk up to make welterweight then he is the smaller guy, I mean he was a small junior welterweight, and If you look back people used to use the arguement that Hatton would beat Floyd around the Hatton-Tszyu and Mayweather-Gatti because Mayweather never delt with strength or size like HAtton brought to the table.

Hatton's size is misleading because he is short, but like Miguel Cotto(to a lesser extent), and Joshua Clottey, he is has a very condensed body whereas Mayweather has a lean body, longer body. WHen Mayweather went up to welterweight he blew up in muscle size, but that isn't the same as natural strength and size, as Mosley-Wright would indicate. Mosley was naturally stronger, but in the ring he wasn't stronger because that strength was purely explosive fast fibers, in terms of retention of strength Winky had the upper edge. We saw it with Calzaghe against Lacy where he muscled Lacy around the ring, not jsut outboxed him. There were a few times in the Hatton-Mayweather fight where Hatton easily maneuvered Mayweather, and he no problem keeping Mayweather on the ropes, but like against Corrales the longer Mayweather was pot shotting Hatton, just like he did to Corrales it weakens them. Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing), and he let Hatton wear himself out.

[kingfrnk]

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

[skel1983]

The weight in this fight had nothing to do with the result whatsoever.

Hatton on fight night was the same weight he fights at come fight night at 140, Mayweather was the same if they fought at 140, Mayweather came in at what 151 on fight night i think, Paulie came in at 149 last week.

In this fight the weigh did not make a jot of difference, against any other fighter i.e Tony Cotto or Williams Hatton would struggle these guys come in on fight night 160+.

So as the thread starter suggested this fight was at 147 between Mayweather and Hatton but it reality they both fought at a weight they would be fighting at give a couple of lbs either way if this fight was at 140.

[Taeth]

What are you tlaking about? Mayweather came against Gatti his last 140 pound fight at 140 at fightnight. And there is a difference bulking up to a certain size and being it naturally. Look how much added muscle Mayweather has added since moving up to welterweight, he looks way bigger than he did at 140 and below. Before WW Mayweather generally looked about the same size with a little change, but up at WW both his style and size changed drastically, He had to put on muscle to be big enough for 140 and 147, Hatton didn't/doesn't sure he put on a little muscle for welterweight, but nothing special. IN fact when Hatton fought Collazo he came in at 160, when he fought at LWW he was coming at 154-155 which is 15 pounds more than Mayweather would walk into the ring at, and thats Hatton being ripped, not pudgy. Mayweather stayed around 149 against HAtton who weighed about 155 or 156 that is 7 pounds differences, I would call that a considerable enough weight difference, that a guy who was coming back up to WW, and still easily makes LWW out weighed Maywaether by that much, and Hatton could have weighed a lot more. 160 is what Mayweather walks around at with all this added muscle, it used to be 150 when he was at lww, and that is 5 pounds less than Hatton would come into the ring at lww.

[bambamdaddio]

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

Good points made bud..

[killersheep]

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

So you are saying he would have won more rounds? Or maybe see the final bell? Or maybe he had more of a punchers chance? If you are not saying he would win, then maybe I missed the original point of this topic as written by beanflicker:

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

[Trainer Monkey]

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

So you are saying he would have won more rounds? Or maybe see the final bell? Or maybe he had more of a punchers chance? If you are not saying he would win, then maybe I missed the original point of this topic as written by beanflicker:

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

More of a punchers chance,and his activity rate would have been better,Ricky's activity rate seems to slow when he gets heavier,Floyd is not a fighter you can afford that against,because say what you wish about Floyd,his activity rate is top notch.
Every time Ive seen Ricky carrying a few extra pounds he looks sluggish,and not at all fast off the mark.
Against a guy with an S-y chin maybe it wouldnt have made an ounce of difference,but that isnt PBF

[killersheep]

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

So you are saying he would have won more rounds? Or maybe see the final bell? Or maybe he had more of a punchers chance? If you are not saying he would win, then maybe I missed the original point of this topic as written by beanflicker:

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

More of a punchers chance,and his activity rate would have been better,Ricky's activity rate seems to slow when he gets heavier,Floyd is not a fighter you can afford that against,because say what you wish about Floyd,his activity rate is top notch.
Every time Ive seen Ricky carrying a few extra pounds he looks sluggish,and not at all fast off the mark.
Against a guy with an S-y chin maybe it wouldnt have made an ounce of difference,but that isnt PBF

So you are saying he COULD have won?

[Trainer Monkey]

So you are saying he would have won more rounds? Or maybe see the final bell? Or maybe he had more of a punchers chance? If you are not saying he would win, then maybe I missed the original point of this topic as written by beanflicker:

More of a punchers chance,and his activity rate would have been better,Ricky's activity rate seems to slow when he gets heavier,Floyd is not a fighter you can afford that against,because say what you wish about Floyd,his activity rate is top notch.
Every time Ive seen Ricky carrying a few extra pounds he looks sluggish,and not at all fast off the mark.
Against a guy with an S-y chin maybe it wouldnt have made an ounce of difference,but that isnt PBF

So you are saying he COULD have won?

It would have been dumb luck,but you can improve your own luck,coming in at the shape was not a huge help to Hatton.
Hell if Manfreddy could have closed better he could have gotten Mayweather
If may only have two letters in it,but its a damned big word in boxing