Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[CFH]

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

[bambamdaddio]

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

[CFH]

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.

It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.

There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.

[bambamdaddio]

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.

It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.

There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.

Yes ok, thats fine..

[Taeth]

I think you look at the difference in the fighter, Mayweather ability to move, and throw combinations decreased significantly as he went up to welterweight, it reminded me of Roy Jones when he took on John Ruiz. Ricky Hatton retained virtually the same speed in every department, he looked the same. WHen a guy like Mayweather really has to bulk up to make welterweight then he is the smaller guy, I mean he was a small junior welterweight, and If you look back people used to use the arguement that Hatton would beat Floyd around the Hatton-Tszyu and Mayweather-Gatti because Mayweather never delt with strength or size like HAtton brought to the table.

Hatton's size is misleading because he is short, but like Miguel Cotto(to a lesser extent), and Joshua Clottey, he is has a very condensed body whereas Mayweather has a lean body, longer body. WHen Mayweather went up to welterweight he blew up in muscle size, but that isn't the same as natural strength and size, as Mosley-Wright would indicate. Mosley was naturally stronger, but in the ring he wasn't stronger because that strength was purely explosive fast fibers, in terms of retention of strength Winky had the upper edge. We saw it with Calzaghe against Lacy where he muscled Lacy around the ring, not jsut outboxed him. There were a few times in the Hatton-Mayweather fight where Hatton easily maneuvered Mayweather, and he no problem keeping Mayweather on the ropes, but like against Corrales the longer Mayweather was pot shotting Hatton, just like he did to Corrales it weakens them. Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing), and he let Hatton wear himself out.

[ross]

Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing

Sycophant!!!

[kingfrnk]

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

[skel1983]

The weight in this fight had nothing to do with the result whatsoever.

Hatton on fight night was the same weight he fights at come fight night at 140, Mayweather was the same if they fought at 140, Mayweather came in at what 151 on fight night i think, Paulie came in at 149 last week.

In this fight the weigh did not make a jot of difference, against any other fighter i.e Tony Cotto or Williams Hatton would struggle these guys come in on fight night 160+.

So as the thread starter suggested this fight was at 147 between Mayweather and Hatton but it reality they both fought at a weight they would be fighting at give a couple of lbs either way if this fight was at 140.

[Taeth]

What are you tlaking about? Mayweather came against Gatti his last 140 pound fight at 140 at fightnight. And there is a difference bulking up to a certain size and being it naturally. Look how much added muscle Mayweather has added since moving up to welterweight, he looks way bigger than he did at 140 and below. Before WW Mayweather generally looked about the same size with a little change, but up at WW both his style and size changed drastically, He had to put on muscle to be big enough for 140 and 147, Hatton didn't/doesn't sure he put on a little muscle for welterweight, but nothing special. IN fact when Hatton fought Collazo he came in at 160, when he fought at LWW he was coming at 154-155 which is 15 pounds more than Mayweather would walk into the ring at, and thats Hatton being ripped, not pudgy. Mayweather stayed around 149 against HAtton who weighed about 155 or 156 that is 7 pounds differences, I would call that a considerable enough weight difference, that a guy who was coming back up to WW, and still easily makes LWW out weighed Maywaether by that much, and Hatton could have weighed a lot more. 160 is what Mayweather walks around at with all this added muscle, it used to be 150 when he was at lww, and that is 5 pounds less than Hatton would come into the ring at lww.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Teath, Id like you to prove that Mayweather walks around at 160

[leftylee]

Here goes.

Ricky Hatton is a natural 140 pound fighter, always has been and always will be.

At 147 he is limited, his strength, power, speed. He isn't the same fighter WHATSOEVER.

Floyd Mayweather started at what ? 130 pounds ? Whatever. He (Like Manny Pacquiao, David Haye etc) are able to move up divisions and still retain the speed, power etc while maybe adding more to the game.

Mayweather fought a number of times previousley at 147 and even was competitive at 150. There was no indication whatsoever he stuggled at the weight.

Hatton on the other hand did. He fought Luis Collazo in 2006 and won a decision only by a couple of points. He looked lackluster, it weren't the Ricky Hatton we had seen previousley.

In contrast when he cams back down to 140 in his next fight he destorys Jose Luis Castillo (Shot ot not, had never been knocked out before) in the 4t round of there fight and looks exceptional in doing so.

THIS FIGHT WITH CASTILLO WAS AN INDICATION 140 POUNDS IS WHERE HE BELONGS.

He says he's a natural 140 pounder and so does his trainer.

Then all of a sudden he agrees to fight Mayweather, stating the chance to become P4P number 1 is too hard to resist. The bout is at welterweight, which suits PBF. Hatton again looks poor with the added 5 pounds.

My point is Ricky Hatton can only be "Ricky Hatton" at 140 pounds and nowhere else. When Ricky fights at welterweight he in totally ineffective and cannot bully opponents like he does at 140.

Unlike Floyd Mayweather who can jump through several divisions and can still bully opponenets, Ricky can't.

A fight at 140 would be totally different.

Hatton would be comfortable (The weight loss is not a problem) and would be able to bully Mayweather.

Would he win ? Totally honest: probbably not but I can GUARANTEE he would be much better than he was at 145 pounds.

[bambamdaddio]

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...

i actually think that Hatton knows that he cant handle anybody at 147. Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, everybody at 147 will school Hatton. but now he has chances for like Pacman and JMM to fight him and he can stay at his own weight and they will come to him.

Good points made bud..