Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[Trainer Monkey]

So you are saying he COULD have won?

It would have been dumb luck,but you can improve your own luck,coming in at the shape was not a huge help to Hatton.
Hell if Manfreddy could have closed better he could have gotten Mayweather
If may only have two letters in it,but its a damned big word in boxing

I don't believe Manfredy had hurt Mayweather enough to close the show even if he jumped on him, did he hurt Mayweather? Yes but not as bad as people have been claiming lately. But that has nothing to do with this argument.
At this point I am just trying to understand your argument. You are saying that by Hatton fighting Mayweather at 140 he would have better luck and that would potentially change the outcome of the fight. Is that correct?

What both of us are saying,is he would have taken his conditioning more seriously,Ricky is a crack the whip sort of fighter,and alot of that whip is holding his weight over his head. He bloats easy,and if you let him,he'll try to cheat down his weight using Sauna suits over training,he's more likely to train harder,if you need him in at a lighter weight then a greater one.

[killersheep]

It would have been dumb luck,but you can improve your own luck,coming in at the shape was not a huge help to Hatton.
Hell if Manfreddy could have closed better he could have gotten Mayweather
If may only have two letters in it,but its a damned big word in boxing

I don't believe Manfredy had hurt Mayweather enough to close the show even if he jumped on him, did he hurt Mayweather? Yes but not as bad as people have been claiming lately. But that has nothing to do with this argument.
At this point I am just trying to understand your argument. You are saying that by Hatton fighting Mayweather at 140 he would have better luck and that would potentially change the outcome of the fight. Is that correct?

What both of us are saying,is he would have taken his conditioning more seriously,Ricky is a crack the whip sort of fighter,and alot of that whip is holding his weight over his head. He bloats easy,and if you let him,he'll try to cheat down his weight using Sauna suits over training,he's more likely to train harder,if you need him in at a lighter weight then a greater one.

OK..........um...........again just trying to make sure I understand this argument and how it applies to the topic of the thread here, so bear with me. You are saying that he would have trained harder and been more conditioned and faster at 140, and that would have changed the outcome of the Mayweather fight because it would have improved his luck?

[bambamdaddio]

I don't believe Manfredy had hurt Mayweather enough to close the show even if he jumped on him, did he hurt Mayweather? Yes but not as bad as people have been claiming lately. But that has nothing to do with this argument.
At this point I am just trying to understand your argument. You are saying that by Hatton fighting Mayweather at 140 he would have better luck and that would potentially change the outcome of the fight. Is that correct?

What both of us are saying,is he would have taken his conditioning more seriously,Ricky is a crack the whip sort of fighter,and alot of that whip is holding his weight over his head. He bloats easy,and if you let him,he'll try to cheat down his weight using Sauna suits over training,he's more likely to train harder,if you need him in at a lighter weight then a greater one.

OK..........um...........again just trying to make sure I understand this argument and how it applies to the topic of the thread here, so bear with me. You are saying that he would have trained harder and been more conditioned and faster at 140, and that would have changed the outcome of the Mayweather fight because it would have improved his luck?

No he is saying its quite probable that Hatton gives a better account of himself at his best & more disciplined weight division... which is what the thread asked us to do just offer up an explanation .. one that Ive been plus repped for by the thread writer for offering a reasonable explanartion ...even if he dont agree ...

Who agrees or not dont matter all Im doing is trying to offer up a reasonable answer to the question asked..

Agree with me or dont ... I really dont care but Ive so far caused 5 pages of debate for bea\n flicker gainig loadsa view points some that agree with me some that dont ....

So to me its job done ...I aint gonna please you all with my posts all the time just like you all aint gonna please me ... thats life & thats debate