De La Hoya v Pac - consequences for the p4p list

[Dizaster]

If Oscar won I don't think at all that he should go ahead of Pac... I don't think their is an informed boxing person on earth that would agree that Pac and ODLH should be considered at the same weight class... What Pac has done at his weight classes of recent years has been way above what ODLH has done at his weight classes in recent years.. For Pac to raise right up from his usual weight to fight oscar should not affect his P4P ranking... At Pac's poundage, he is unstoppable. He dominates like anyone in any weight.. That's what makes Pac #1..... It's the only way that we can compare fighters of different classes.

The fact he's going into a fight with oscar so far outside his dominant zone speaks volumes about his perceived potential.. Any boxer who is as dominant in their weight range as pac, and then jumps up 10+ over that weight range to fight one of the great fighters of our era also shows why he is considered the #1.... But this fight goes outside something that you could bring Pac down for if he loses.. And bring ODLH up for if he wins... If ODLH fought some of the opponents around his weight like Margarito or Williams, and won, then you could work him in there... If he stepped up to like a Pavlik etc in higher weights, then you could probably add him in there..

But I don't think the result of this fight should effect Pac's rating based on the fact he's gone up in weight by so much.. he's stepped WAY outside his P4P best range to make a fight for boxing history.. if he loses I don't think he should drop ranks..

I mean, is P4P #2, 3 or 4 dominating their entire division, then stepping up over 10 pounds to take on the greats of those divisions? No one else is doing that, and as silly as this fight seems and not appropriate, Pac is taking boxing by the nuts and fucking it up the ass....
And god forbid he gets messed up or knocked out by ODLH, i'm putting it down to a very very poor career decision, but it's not a loss to me that proves Pac is not P4P as good as he's always been to earn that spot.

[Fenster]

That's looking at Pac through rose tinted glasses.

Although the fight should have no real bearing on his P4P position..

Him fighting 10-14 pounds above his best weight isn't some big heroic deed. He's doing it for the huge MONEY. ANY fighter from 130 or 135 would fight Oscar given the chance, without hesitation, for the MONEY. Pacs exciting style and status have allowed them to SELL a good fight.

And Pac hasn't established dominance over Marquez (probably 50-50 who's better in fans eyes). Let alone dominate any divison. Another slight on this "event."

[HattonTheHammer]

That's looking at Pac through rose tinted glasses.

Although the fight should have no real bearing on his P4P position..

Him fighting 10-14 pounds above his best weight isn't some big heroic deed. He's doing it for the huge MONEY. ANY fighter from 130 or 135 would fight Oscar given the chance, without hesitation, for the MONEY. Pacs exciting style and status have allowed them to SELL a good fight.

And Pac hasn't established dominance over Marquez (probably 50-50 who's better in fans eyes). Let alone dominate any divison. Another slight on this "event."

As said p4p ive got calzaghe out ahead in top spot at the moment and i dont expect pacquaio to change that on the 6th.

Most of these p4p lists are constructed by american journalists who view the lighter weights with rose tinted glasses.

JC cannot do anything possible else to be recognised as the greatest boxer in the world!!!

[Julius Rain]

That's looking at Pac through rose tinted glasses.

Although the fight should have no real bearing on his P4P position..

Him fighting 10-14 pounds above his best weight isn't some big heroic deed. He's doing it for the huge MONEY. ANY fighter from 130 or 135 would fight Oscar given the chance, without hesitation, for the MONEY. Pacs exciting style and status have allowed them to SELL a good fight.

And Pac hasn't established dominance over Marquez (probably 50-50 who's better in fans eyes). Let alone dominate any divison. Another slight on this "event."

As said p4p ive got calzaghe out ahead in top spot at the moment and i dont expect pacquaio to change that on the 6th.

Most of these p4p lists are constructed by american journalists who view the lighter weights with rose tinted glasses.

JC cannot do anything possible else to be recognised as the greatest boxer in the world!!!

cause his not at all. jmm should be king if pac loses. if jc pac or jmm were at the same weight classes, jc would lose. these guys hit a lot harder a lot faster and came up the harder way that made them tough as iron no matter where they fight. Can you honestly say jc is the same?

[GAME]

Calzaghe is the best p4p fighter but If Pac beats Oscar he can make a very good case for replacing him .

[albsur2006]

I've always thought JoeCal was the P4P #1. Since Golden Boy owns RING now, I wouldn't be surprised if they bumped Oscar up anywhere from 6-10. It's funny to me how when Golden Boy purchased RING they said that they wouldn't have any influence on the rankings. But EVERYONE has JoeCal at either #1 or #2. NOBODY really has Juan Manuel at #2 especially after he lost. Yet the RING still has him at #2. There's no way that JoeCal, the undefeated undisputed former super middleweight and current light heavyweight champion of the world, should be behind Juan Manuel Marquez. No fucking way.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the future RING under Golden Boy actually started charging sanctioning fees and awarding real title belts. I really see no reason for Golden Boy to purchase RING magazine unless they had something bigger planned.

[C-Lo]

Pac has been visibly hurt, without seriously jelly-legged, on a number of occasions against Marquez, Barrera 2nd fight (or was he play acting?) and Larios.. that doesn't bode well for him against Oscar at all.

I think I worst I've seen him hurt in a while was the body shot Marquez hit him with in round 8 of those second fight. Pac covered up BIG TIME and fell against the ropes.

When I first watched the fight I saw Marquez land it and saw Pac's reaction and I thought Marquez would knock him down.