Pacman is the Most Exciting fighter in Boxing....

[brucelee]

moono = addicted_to_boxing

He come heres when Pacquaio has a fight. All he does is make negative comments about Pac.

Let's all neg rep moono. Clearly he has no boxing knowledge. Pity that he has been watching boxing for how many years already ( as he claimed) but has not learned anything from them.

[C-Lo]

This whole thread started out on a way to say Manny wasn't #1 P4P but ended up being a complete massacre for someone who can't pay respect where respect is due.

Do I like Joe Calzaghe? NOT EVEN CLOSE! But I can show the man some respect. I believe he's #2 or #3 P4P and that says a lot considering I don't like the guy.

People who don't like Pac just ignore these things but here you are completely adding fuel to the flame. If you start hitting up the other threads and talk about other things other than Pacquiao maybe you'd get some sort of respect. Until then, you're just another Pac hater, nothing more. This forum is probably one of the best, if not the best place to discuss boxing and have highly regarded and knowledgable posters. If you don't think these guys can't spot a biased poster like you on here, think again.

[Master]

You have to credit Pac for taking the most difficult challenge, with the most money as well.

[Moono]

moono = addicted_to_boxing

He come heres when Pacquaio has a fight. All he does is make negative comments about Pac.

Let's all neg rep moono. Clearly he has no boxing knowledge. Pity that he has been watching boxing for how many years already ( as he claimed) but has not learned anything from them.

lets all neg moono because of his own opinion that nutt huggers do not like wow some people need to step away from the keyboard. People are sensitive
You say I dont have any boxing knowledge? I have more knowledge then you, your only knowledge started when Pacquiao got famous.

[ICB]

Manny Pacquiao wasn't really a name coming into the 1st MAB fight, thats why MAB was the favorite. MAB was coming off some of his best performances against Kevin Kelley, Johnny Tapia.

And MAB was rated P4P number 3 before Manny Pacquiao beat him, how you cannot give credit to Manny Pacquiao for thrashing a P4P top 3 fighter. Who was coming off some of his best performances is beyond me.

He then took on JMM/3k Battery/Erik Morales/Hector Velazquez/Erik Morales/Oscar Larios/Erik Morales/Jorge Solis/MAB/JMM/David Diaz.

Just look at his quality of his opposition since the 1st MAB fight, its about as good as you can get. I really can't understand how you can rip Manny Pacquiao's opposition. When its of the highest quality.

And please don't make me laugh saying Joe Calzaghe hits harder, but chooses not to you sound like an idiot. If a fighter could hit harder why would he choose not to ? that makes no sense.

Joe Calzaghe only has a BS stoppage win over Peter Manfredo, and a stoppage win over the glass jaw Mario Veit, who he destroyed in 1 round in there first fight, but it took him 6 rounds in a rematch. And this is in his last 8 fights.

Manny Pacquiao punches with much better technique. He puts his body weight behind his punches. And his blinding speed generates alot of power. Its ridiculous to even suggest Joe Calzaghe hits harder than Manny Pacquiao P4P.

Manny Pacquiao is now fighting a fighter, who is naturally easily 160+ pounds. ODLH will easily have a 1 stone advantage when they fight. Yet you say Manny Pacquiao ducks fighters and doesn't fight the best are you kidding me ?

Manny Pacquiao isn't my favorite fighter, JMM is actually my favorite. But i respect Manny Pacquiao alot i love his exciting style, i respect the fact that he wants to fight the best and prove he's the best. I really can't understand how anyone can't respect or appreciate Manny Pacquiao, or even assume he has been ducking fighters, with the quality of opponents he has fought in the past few years. And now this fight with ODLH.

[Julius Rain]

Manny Pacquiao wasn't really a name coming into the 1st MAB fight, thats why MAB was the favorite. MAB was coming off some of his best performances against Kevin Kelley, Johnny Tapia.

And MAB was rated P4P number 3 before Manny Pacquiao beat him, how you cannot give credit to Manny Pacquiao for thrashing a P4P top 3 fighter. Who was coming off some of his best performances is beyond me.

He then took on JMM/3k Battery/Erik Morales/Hector Velazquez/Erik Morales/Oscar Larios/Erik Morales/Jorge Solis/MAB/JMM/David Diaz.

Just look at his quality of his opposition since the 1st MAB fight, its about as good as you can get. I really can't understand how you can rip Manny Pacquiao's opposition. When its of the highest quality.

And please don't make me laugh saying Joe Calzaghe hits harder, but chooses not to you sound like an idiot. If a fighter could hit harder why would he choose not to ? that makes no sense.

Joe Calzaghe only has a BS stoppage win over Peter Manfredo, and a stoppage win over the glass jaw Mario Veit, who he destroyed in 1 round in there first fight, but it took him 6 rounds in a rematch. And this is in his last 8 fights.

Manny Pacquiao punches with much better technique. He puts his body weight behind his punches. And his blinding speed generates alot of power. Its ridiculous to even suggest Joe Calzaghe hits harder than Manny Pacquiao P4P.

Manny Pacquiao is now fighting a fighter, who is naturally easily 160+ pounds. ODLH will easily have a 1 stone advantage when they fight. Yet you say Manny Pacquiao ducks fighters and doesn't fight the best are you kidding me ?

Manny Pacquiao isn't my favorite fighter, JMM is actually my favorite. But i respect Manny Pacquiao alot i love his exciting style, i respect the fact that he wants to fight the best and prove he's the best. I really can't understand how anyone can't respect or appreciate Manny Pacquiao, or even assume he has been ducking fighters, with the quality of opponents he has fought in the past few years. And now this fight with ODLH.

a straight "A" student of the game classic ICE.

[Moono]

Manny Pacquiao wasn't really a name coming into the 1st MAB fight, thats why MAB was the favorite. MAB was coming off some of his best performances against Kevin Kelley, Johnny Tapia.

And MAB was rated P4P number 3 before Manny Pacquiao beat him, how you cannot give credit to Manny Pacquiao for thrashing a P4P top 3 fighter. Who was coming off some of his best performances is beyond me.

He then took on JMM/3k Battery/Erik Morales/Hector Velazquez/Erik Morales/Oscar Larios/Erik Morales/Jorge Solis/MAB/JMM/David Diaz.

Just look at his quality of his opposition since the 1st MAB fight, its about as good as you can get. I really can't understand how you can rip Manny Pacquiao's opposition. When its of the highest quality.

And please don't make me laugh saying Joe Calzaghe hits harder, but chooses not to you sound like an idiot. If a fighter could hit harder why would he choose not to ? that makes no sense.

Joe Calzaghe only has a BS stoppage win over Peter Manfredo, and a stoppage win over the glass jaw Mario Veit, who he destroyed in 1 round in there first fight, but it took him 6 rounds in a rematch. And this is in his last 8 fights.

Manny Pacquiao punches with much better technique. He puts his body weight behind his punches. And his blinding speed generates alot of power. Its ridiculous to even suggest Joe Calzaghe hits harder than Manny Pacquiao P4P.

Manny Pacquiao is now fighting a fighter, who is naturally easily 160+ pounds. ODLH will easily have a 1 stone advantage when they fight. Yet you say Manny Pacquiao ducks fighters and doesn't fight the best are you kidding me ?

Manny Pacquiao isn't my favorite fighter, JMM is actually my favorite. But i respect Manny Pacquiao alot i love his exciting style, i respect the fact that he wants to fight the best and prove he's the best. I really can't understand how anyone can't respect or appreciate Manny Pacquiao, or even assume he has been ducking fighters, with the quality of opponents he has fought in the past few years. And now this fight with ODLH.

Calzaghe likes to toy with fighters he has more skills and art then pacquiao he is a complete boxer pacman is one dimensional and the only reason pacman is fighting oscar is because of the Money lets just be honest.

You will not see the same pacquiao he is not a dumb guy once he feels the power and if oscar becomes aggressive he will not continue for his own well being. He has other sights and its politics.

[CFH]

Manny Pacquiao wasn't really a name coming into the 1st MAB fight, thats why MAB was the favorite. MAB was coming off some of his best performances against Kevin Kelley, Johnny Tapia.

And MAB was rated P4P number 3 before Manny Pacquiao beat him, how you cannot give credit to Manny Pacquiao for thrashing a P4P top 3 fighter. Who was coming off some of his best performances is beyond me.

He then took on JMM/3k Battery/Erik Morales/Hector Velazquez/Erik Morales/Oscar Larios/Erik Morales/Jorge Solis/MAB/JMM/David Diaz.

Just look at his quality of his opposition since the 1st MAB fight, its about as good as you can get. I really can't understand how you can rip Manny Pacquiao's opposition. When its of the highest quality.

And please don't make me laugh saying Joe Calzaghe hits harder, but chooses not to you sound like an idiot. If a fighter could hit harder why would he choose not to ? that makes no sense.

Joe Calzaghe only has a BS stoppage win over Peter Manfredo, and a stoppage win over the glass jaw Mario Veit, who he destroyed in 1 round in there first fight, but it took him 6 rounds in a rematch. And this is in his last 8 fights.

Manny Pacquiao punches with much better technique. He puts his body weight behind his punches. And his blinding speed generates alot of power. Its ridiculous to even suggest Joe Calzaghe hits harder than Manny Pacquiao P4P.

Manny Pacquiao is now fighting a fighter, who is naturally easily 160+ pounds. ODLH will easily have a 1 stone advantage when they fight. Yet you say Manny Pacquiao ducks fighters and doesn't fight the best are you kidding me ?

Manny Pacquiao isn't my favorite fighter, JMM is actually my favorite. But i respect Manny Pacquiao alot i love his exciting style, i respect the fact that he wants to fight the best and prove he's the best. I really can't understand how anyone can't respect or appreciate Manny Pacquiao, or even assume he has been ducking fighters, with the quality of opponents he has fought in the past few years. And now this fight with ODLH.

Calzaghe likes to toy with fighters he has more skills and art then pacquiao he is a complete boxer pacman is one dimensional and the only reason pacman is fighting oscar is because of the Money lets just be honest.

You will not see the same pacquiao he is not a dumb guy once he feels the power and if oscar becomes aggressive he will not continue for his own well being. He has other sights and its politics.

Why don't you contrast that by telling us what Calzaghe fights for?

All boxers fight primarily for the money.

[C-Lo]

Yea I know Manny is taking this fight for the money. I mean he's only fighting someone who is physically superior to him in every way when that's been his advantage against people in his weight class. He ducks fighters but is willing to go up to welterweight to fight one of the best fighters of this generation when he fought at 130 in MARCH!

[C-Lo]

Moono, I've seen a bunch of your posts saying Pacquiao is one-dimensional. I would like to know what exactly do you mean when you say that? What is Manny's one dimension?

Don't be hesitant to explain. I'm not one of those people that will insult you by calling you a name.

[ICB]

Manny Pacquiao wasn't really a name coming into the 1st MAB fight, thats why MAB was the favorite. MAB was coming off some of his best performances against Kevin Kelley, Johnny Tapia.

And MAB was rated P4P number 3 before Manny Pacquiao beat him, how you cannot give credit to Manny Pacquiao for thrashing a P4P top 3 fighter. Who was coming off some of his best performances is beyond me.

He then took on JMM/3k Battery/Erik Morales/Hector Velazquez/Erik Morales/Oscar Larios/Erik Morales/Jorge Solis/MAB/JMM/David Diaz.

Just look at his quality of his opposition since the 1st MAB fight, its about as good as you can get. I really can't understand how you can rip Manny Pacquiao's opposition. When its of the highest quality.

And please don't make me laugh saying Joe Calzaghe hits harder, but chooses not to you sound like an idiot. If a fighter could hit harder why would he choose not to ? that makes no sense.

Joe Calzaghe only has a BS stoppage win over Peter Manfredo, and a stoppage win over the glass jaw Mario Veit, who he destroyed in 1 round in there first fight, but it took him 6 rounds in a rematch. And this is in his last 8 fights.

Manny Pacquiao punches with much better technique. He puts his body weight behind his punches. And his blinding speed generates alot of power. Its ridiculous to even suggest Joe Calzaghe hits harder than Manny Pacquiao P4P.

Manny Pacquiao is now fighting a fighter, who is naturally easily 160+ pounds. ODLH will easily have a 1 stone advantage when they fight. Yet you say Manny Pacquiao ducks fighters and doesn't fight the best are you kidding me ?

Manny Pacquiao isn't my favorite fighter, JMM is actually my favorite. But i respect Manny Pacquiao alot i love his exciting style, i respect the fact that he wants to fight the best and prove he's the best. I really can't understand how anyone can't respect or appreciate Manny Pacquiao, or even assume he has been ducking fighters, with the quality of opponents he has fought in the past few years. And now this fight with ODLH.

Calzaghe likes to toy with fighters he has more skills and art then pacquiao he is a complete boxer pacman is one dimensional and the only reason pacman is fighting oscar is because of the Money lets just be honest.

You will not see the same pacquiao he is not a dumb guy once he feels the power and if oscar becomes aggressive he will not continue for his own well being. He has other sights and its politics.

And Manny Pacquiao didn't toy with David Diaz ? thats one of the best masterclasses i've seen in a while. Manny Pacquiao isn't one dimensional, he has developed his right hand much more.

He has more variety of punches and his countering skills have improved vastly. Manny Pacquiao is fighting ODLH for money of course he is and so does every boxer so i don't see your point ?

But the risk is still very high considering how many weightclasses Manny Pacquiao, is moving up to. And considering how big ODLH is.

[Moono]

Moono, I've seen a bunch of your posts saying Pacquiao is one-dimensional. I would like to know what exactly do you mean when you say that? What is Manny's one dimension?

Don't be hesitant to explain. I'm not one of those people that will insult you by calling you a name.

I respect you C lo for that, people forget this is a discussion board and they tend to get out of hand and sensitive when people have differed opinions.

Well to explain all he has is the left cross and he reaches with his punches.

Watch this video it explains everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTvz6STbvuc

[Andre]

sour grapes for what?

I gave the guy credit he is never fails to excite and comes to fight but the honest truth is he is not the best compare to Calzaghe and floyd jr who are both undefeated.

Undefeated doesnt really mean as much as it used to in the old days when fighters would be looking for all commers at any time.
Today its like a play act so they get the best route to the best money with least risks.

I know pound for pound takes into consideration alot more things.But (just for my mind)I like to think of fighters at the same natural weight and take it on skill and power only: If Joe was naturally the same weight as Pac I think he'd have his hands full and it would be a tough night,he'd have to have a great night with no mistakes to pull off a win.

Your post is ok,the points are sort of valid but some of these guys are taking it like saying heres some flowers for you Pac nut huggers; now here is what we feed them with as you tip a bucket of sh!t over them while they are holding the flowers you just gave them.

[C-Lo]

Moono, I've seen a bunch of your posts saying Pacquiao is one-dimensional. I would like to know what exactly do you mean when you say that? What is Manny's one dimension?

Don't be hesitant to explain. I'm not one of those people that will insult you by calling you a name.

I respect you C lo for that, people forget this is a discussion board and they tend to get out of hand and sensitive when people have differed opinions.

Well to explain all he has is the left cross and he reaches with his punches.

Watch this video it explains everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTvz6STbvuc

I'm watching the Jets game right now so I'll take a look at the video later.

I'll give you Pacquiao relies very much on his favorite jab-straight left or double jab-straight left. If people aren't stopping it, why change it?

But I don't agree with you on him being one-dimensional. Throughout the years Roach has added to Pacquiao's arsenal.

Roach changed his right hand completely. His jab used to be just a set up for his left but now he's stiffened up his jab into an effective punch in itself. His right hook has hurt all the fighters he's faced since Roach got him comfortable throwing it (he didn't use it much against Marquez the second time they fought).

Pacquiao just used to be all offensive his defense has made a huge improvement as well. Slipping punches isn't his thing but his guard has improved tremendously. Watch his second fight with Marquez, his guard protected him from a lot of punches that would've landed if it had been an earlier version of Pacquiao. ALSO, his countering ability is way better than it used to be. He likes to duck under punches and throw a looping left and that's been effective. He also throws his right hook whenever his opponent leaves himself open after throwing a left hand.

He used to have just ruthless aggression but now he has the ability to pick his spots.

[leftylee]

moono = addicted_to_boxing

He come heres when Pacquaio has a fight. All he does is make negative comments about Pac.

Let's all neg rep moono. Clearly he has no boxing knowledge. Pity that he has been watching boxing for how many years already ( as he claimed) but has not learned anything from them.

That gives me an incentive to positive rep him, and that I will do just.