Why does HBO hate on Margarito

[antimoron]

Emanuel Steward was giving him plenty of credit, but honestly he was getting the shit boxed out of him in the first half of that fight, what was there to give him credit for? Walking through flush shots? As it went on they were giving him more credit. Also Paul Williams easily outboxed him, Margarito IMO got more credit than he deserved, and people are calling a fight where Williams won most of the rounds easily a close fihgt because Magarito came on strong at the end..., but far too late.

In the Cotto fight he was getting outboxed but as the tide was turning you dont think he deserved credit for that? He had a plan no matter how ugly it was or how people dont accept it he knew he could take the punch and finsih him later, that was a well executed plan he deserves credit for that. I just dont know why they hate on him.

they are not exactly hating the guy. they just tend to talk more about cotto's skills, ability and flaw (in short excuses). Margarito already got credit from us fans(which is more meaningful) beating cintron and cotto in succession.. look where he is now on the list of every so called P4P list. Never mind the HBO commentators comments they are just there to talk and get pay.. that will never change the accomplishment of Margo.. they will look more stupid thats for sure by not giving him credit.

[hackey]

i guess because technically he is not that great, getting heavily outboxed by Williams and Cotto for most of their fight. His heart and durability are what makes him so dangerous, but HBO tend to appreciate skilled fighters more.

[ClubberLang]

I don't think they were really hating on him. In the Cotto fight he was getting outclassed for the first half of the fight, so their commentary at that point was inline with what was happening in the fight. And, if you will recall, Steward was saying even then that he thought the pressure was going to start getting to Cotto. They gave him credit when he won. And the comments after the Williams fight didn't seem like much hating either. Williams had just fought on their show and was impressive, so of course they are going to hype him. They rightly pointed out that Margarito took a fight with Shane for half the money he could have had to fight Williams, and were using that as an example of how nobody wants to fight Williams and how he will have to create demand with the public to force the big names to fight him. I don't see that as hating.

[BlackRazor]

I don't think they were really hating on him. In the Cotto fight he was getting outclassed for the first half of the fight, so their commentary at that point was inline with what was happening in the fight. And, if you will recall, Steward was saying even then that he thought the pressure was going to start getting to Cotto. They gave him credit when he won. And the comments after the Williams fight didn't seem like much hating either. Williams had just fought on their show and was impressive, so of course they are going to hype him. They rightly pointed out that Margarito took a fight with Shane for half the money he could have had to fight Williams, and were using that as an example of how nobody wants to fight Williams and how he will have to create demand with the public to force the big names to fight him. I don't see that as hating.

I agree, I've heard Max Kellerman practically gush about AM a couple of times since July. I think Lampley has said some nice things too.

[Rantcatrat]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

[kingfrnk]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

i think i has tony vs paul 7-5 for paul or 8-4 i dont remember. but they always bring up his loss to Paul. though i would love to see Paul beat him again.

[Althugz]

If they do hate on him it's probably because he's not going to be making them any money.

He doesn't speak English and is still a relative nobody to everyone but the hardcore boxing fans..Plus he beats the phuck outta guys who do make them money

[Taeth]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

[Spicoli]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

Man,I just don't know what fight you were watching .How about a little credit where credit is due?In no way was the Tony/Williams fight a 7 point edge for Williams.Williams was a boxing fool and started fast but Tony is a slow starter from the get go,even in the Cotto fight it was a jabbing contest in the 1st round.I had Williams up by 2 points in a very tight call with Tony coming on strong in the 2nd half and being the far better hitter and forcing the tempo.As for the Cotto fight...it amazes me how many act as if a magical switch was flipped in the late rounds and Cotto just fell apart by his own choosing.....While Cotto was landing the 'ohhh's & ahhh's' punches upstairs,his body attack had been essentially shut down and Margarito was having a major impact on Cottos own body as early as the 2nd round...consistantly and with a big accumliative effect?It was as a graduale and increasing 'destruction' of an undefeated ,improving in quality and championship calibur fighter as Ive seen in years...as opposed to a Tyson vs. Lewis and Gatti vs. Mayweather....one was shot to pieces and the other was being led to the guilotine by one of the top p4p guys around.

[luvfightgame]

I don't think they hate on him. The biggest thing i've heard was Max Kellerman after the Williams fight saying how Margarito took half the money to fight Mosley he would get from Williams.

First Max is a tool in my opinion. He's got some knowledge but he seems to have an agenda in his interviews and post fight comments.

Second, Mosley is a better name, and on the way out in his career. If he is confident in winning you take Mosley now, and let the Williams fight build cause he's young and gonna be around a long time.

[PhillyKeith]

Maybe because he doesn't speak English and can't give a good interview or truly appeal to the public Talent is one thing but charisma (or some sort of drama that appeals to the imagination) will always get a fighter a bigger push in the public eye.

[C.J.Rock]

Emanuel Steward was giving him plenty of credit, but honestly he was getting the shit boxed out of him in the first half of that fight, what was there to give him credit for? Walking through flush shots? As it went on they were giving him more credit. Also Paul Williams easily outboxed him, Margarito IMO got more credit than he deserved, and people are calling a fight where Williams won most of the rounds easily a close fihgt because Magarito came on strong at the end..., but far too late.

In the Cotto fight he was getting outboxed but as the tide was turning you dont think he deserved credit for that? He had a plan no matter how ugly it was or how people dont accept it he knew he could take the punch and finsih him later, that was a well executed plan he deserves credit for that. I just dont know why they hate on him.

they are not exactly hating the guy. they just tend to talk more about cotto's skills, ability and flaw (in short excuses). Margarito already got credit from us fans(which is more meaningful) beating cintron and cotto in succession.. look where he is now on the list of every so called P4P list. Never mind the HBO commentators comments they are just there to talk and get pay.. that will never change the accomplishment of Margo.. they will look more stupid thats for sure by not giving him credit.

Lampley & co are just cheerleaders for HBO fighters. Tony Margarito isnt an HBO fighter its that simple