Why does HBO hate on Margarito

[ClubberLang]

I don't think they were really hating on him. In the Cotto fight he was getting outclassed for the first half of the fight, so their commentary at that point was inline with what was happening in the fight. And, if you will recall, Steward was saying even then that he thought the pressure was going to start getting to Cotto. They gave him credit when he won. And the comments after the Williams fight didn't seem like much hating either. Williams had just fought on their show and was impressive, so of course they are going to hype him. They rightly pointed out that Margarito took a fight with Shane for half the money he could have had to fight Williams, and were using that as an example of how nobody wants to fight Williams and how he will have to create demand with the public to force the big names to fight him. I don't see that as hating.

[BlackRazor]

I don't think they were really hating on him. In the Cotto fight he was getting outclassed for the first half of the fight, so their commentary at that point was inline with what was happening in the fight. And, if you will recall, Steward was saying even then that he thought the pressure was going to start getting to Cotto. They gave him credit when he won. And the comments after the Williams fight didn't seem like much hating either. Williams had just fought on their show and was impressive, so of course they are going to hype him. They rightly pointed out that Margarito took a fight with Shane for half the money he could have had to fight Williams, and were using that as an example of how nobody wants to fight Williams and how he will have to create demand with the public to force the big names to fight him. I don't see that as hating.

I agree, I've heard Max Kellerman practically gush about AM a couple of times since July. I think Lampley has said some nice things too.

[Rantcatrat]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

[kingfrnk]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

i think i has tony vs paul 7-5 for paul or 8-4 i dont remember. but they always bring up his loss to Paul. though i would love to see Paul beat him again.

[Althugz]

If they do hate on him it's probably because he's not going to be making them any money.

He doesn't speak English and is still a relative nobody to everyone but the hardcore boxing fans..Plus he beats the phuck outta guys who do make them money

[Taeth]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

[Spicoli]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

Man,I just don't know what fight you were watching .How about a little credit where credit is due?In no way was the Tony/Williams fight a 7 point edge for Williams.Williams was a boxing fool and started fast but Tony is a slow starter from the get go,even in the Cotto fight it was a jabbing contest in the 1st round.I had Williams up by 2 points in a very tight call with Tony coming on strong in the 2nd half and being the far better hitter and forcing the tempo.As for the Cotto fight...it amazes me how many act as if a magical switch was flipped in the late rounds and Cotto just fell apart by his own choosing.....While Cotto was landing the 'ohhh's & ahhh's' punches upstairs,his body attack had been essentially shut down and Margarito was having a major impact on Cottos own body as early as the 2nd round...consistantly and with a big accumliative effect?It was as a graduale and increasing 'destruction' of an undefeated ,improving in quality and championship calibur fighter as Ive seen in years...as opposed to a Tyson vs. Lewis and Gatti vs. Mayweather....one was shot to pieces and the other was being led to the guilotine by one of the top p4p guys around.

[Taeth]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

Man,I just don't know what fight you were watching .How about a little credit where credit is due?In no way was the Tony/Williams fight a 7 point edge for Williams.Williams was a boxing fool and started fast but Tony is a slow starter from the get go,even in the Cotto fight it was a jabbing contest in the 1st round.I had Williams up by 2 points in a very tight call with Tony coming on strong in the 2nd half and being the far better hitter and forcing the tempo.As for the Cotto fight...it amazes me how many act as if a magical switch was flipped in the late rounds and Cotto just fell apart by his own choosing.....While Cotto was landing the 'ohhh's & ahhh's' punches upstairs,his body attack had been essentially shut down and Margarito was having a major impact on Cottos own body as early as the 2nd round...consistantly and with a big accumliative effect?It was as a graduale and increasing 'destruction' of an undefeated ,improving in quality and championship calibur fighter as Ive seen in years...as opposed to a Tyson vs. Lewis and Gatti vs. Mayweather....one was shot to pieces and the other was being led to the guilotine by one of the top p4p guys around.

Margarito wasn't giving him the body, and Margarito was landing to the body, but he wasn't landing anythign like the punch that stopped Cintron. It wasn't a destruction regardless of what you say, a fight like Foreman-Frazier was a destruction, Chavez-Rosario, Mayweather-Corrales, Roy Jones Jr vs 90% of his opponents, Calzaghe-Lacy, Pacquiao-Barrera I, the list goes on, but this wasn't one of them. A destruction means that you dominate the entire fight and destroy your opponent, its not getting your ass kicked for 6 rounds, but having the chin to walk through it. Of course Margarito was landing punches, but IMO still the most important fact was that Cotto couldn't breathe through his nose because it was clearly broken. Until later on he wasn't effected by any of Margarito shots anywhere near the way he was against Judah, Corley, and Torres. Margarito did land to the body, but they weren't his hardest body shots, and Mosley also went to the body against Cotto to no avail. I've seen it plenty of times where a fighter, hasn't taken all that much damage, but over exert themselves and suddenly take a turn for the worse, and Margarito did to put amazing pressure on Cotto, it wasn't super fast, and he didn't cut off the ring, but Cotto doesn't relax while he is moving, and that really makes it that much more tiring for him to move around. The body shots didn't help, but once again Cotto was landing far better punches over the first half of the fight, and I am aware that Margarito landed as well, but it was Margarito who was frustrated in the first half of the fight.

ANd maybe you should watch the Margarito-Williams fight again, Margarito didn't win most of the second half of the fight it was relatively even, but the first half Paul was beating him with ease, same with Cotto, the only difference is WIlliams could hang on to the lead. Clottey was also easily winning rounds against Margarito until his hands began to hurt, because he clearly stopped throwing punches in situations he was earlier.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Williams beat margarito 10 rounds to 2. The only rounds i gave margarito were 10 and 11. It was still a good fight but margarito just couldn't hit williams with any regularity.

[Dean Duke]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

Man,I just don't know what fight you were watching .How about a little credit where credit is due?In no way was the Tony/Williams fight a 7 point edge for Williams.Williams was a boxing fool and started fast but Tony is a slow starter from the get go,even in the Cotto fight it was a jabbing contest in the 1st round.I had Williams up by 2 points in a very tight call with Tony coming on strong in the 2nd half and being the far better hitter and forcing the tempo.As for the Cotto fight...it amazes me how many act as if a magical switch was flipped in the late rounds and Cotto just fell apart by his own choosing.....While Cotto was landing the 'ohhh's & ahhh's' punches upstairs,his body attack had been essentially shut down and Margarito was having a major impact on Cottos own body as early as the 2nd round...consistantly and with a big accumliative effect?It was as a graduale and increasing 'destruction' of an undefeated ,improving in quality and championship calibur fighter as Ive seen in years...as opposed to a Tyson vs. Lewis and Gatti vs. Mayweather....one was shot to pieces and the other was being led to the guilotine by one of the top p4p guys around.

You could see that Cotto was landing the more flashy shots but Marg had his number from round 2 when he busted up Cottos nose, the way both fighters walked back to their corners said all you need to know, it was'nt a total beat down but come on just look at both fighters after the fight, no comparison one xxxked up the other hardly a mark on him. It don't matter who is considerd the more skillfull it's the result that counts, heart, desire and a rock hard noggin can beat skills sometimes, thats the way it is and always will be. Cant wait for the rematch and TBH I think Marg does it just the same, what can Cotto do diffrent if he goes toe to toe he gets busted up, if he boxes like last time he gets busted up, who knows maybe swallowing blood for most of the fight did it, we will find out next time.

[Taeth]

Look at the Lovermore N'Dou vs Cotto fight, Cotto's face looked busted up there as well, look at his face in the Judah fight. Cotto isn't as tough physically or mentally as Margarito. Some guys faces can look the same through any amount of punishment, while other guys look like their faces have rearranged from far less punishment. You could definitely tell that Cotto was having problems with the pressure from round 2 on, but it wasn't his head that was snapping back 10+ times a round.

Obviously Margarito won the fight, but I am saying it wasn't a destruction. People are getting way too far fetched.

[luvfightgame]

I don't think they hate on him. The biggest thing i've heard was Max Kellerman after the Williams fight saying how Margarito took half the money to fight Mosley he would get from Williams.

First Max is a tool in my opinion. He's got some knowledge but he seems to have an agenda in his interviews and post fight comments.

Second, Mosley is a better name, and on the way out in his career. If he is confident in winning you take Mosley now, and let the Williams fight build cause he's young and gonna be around a long time.

[Taeth]

I don't think they hate on him. The biggest thing i've heard was Max Kellerman after the Williams fight saying how Margarito took half the money to fight Mosley he would get from Williams.

First Max is a tool in my opinion. He's got some knowledge but he seems to have an agenda in his interviews and post fight comments.

Second, Mosley is a better name, and on the way out in his career. If he is confident in winning you take Mosley now, and let the Williams fight build cause he's young and gonna be around a long time.

But Williams won't be a welterweight for very long, He's too big to stay at the weight forever, IMO Margarito is waiting for Williams to have to kill himself to make weight or move up, and be out of Tony's division. I don't like some things that Max does, but he wants the best fights, that make the most sense and isn't afraid to call fighters out who aren't taking them.

I love the fact that he brought up Dawson with Calzaghe, Why the fuck should have Joe been fighting Roy JOnes Jr? It was a bullshit fight, and why won't he fight Bernard Hopkins again? Or Glen Johnson who has been at the top of the LHW heap for the past 5 years?

Margarito is complaining that Mayweather isn't facing him, when Mayweather was chasing the linear welterweight belt for more money against Baldomir who made a name for himself, and now Margarito won't fight the only WW who he has lost to in years. Or Clottey who was doing very well before he hurt his hands. Mayweather fought Castillo the second time to prove himself, but people ask why guys like Margarito aren't liked, because they complain all the time, then they don't take risks unless it falls into their lap, or they have no other choice, but as soon as they are at the top they are the same as everyone else.

[luvfightgame]

I don't think they hate on him. The biggest thing i've heard was Max Kellerman after the Williams fight saying how Margarito took half the money to fight Mosley he would get from Williams.

First Max is a tool in my opinion. He's got some knowledge but he seems to have an agenda in his interviews and post fight comments.

Second, Mosley is a better name, and on the way out in his career. If he is confident in winning you take Mosley now, and let the Williams fight build cause he's young and gonna be around a long time.

But Williams won't be a welterweight for very long, He's too big to stay at the weight forever, IMO Margarito is waiting for Williams to have to kill himself to make weight or move up, and be out of Tony's division. I don't like some things that Max does, but he wants the best fights, that make the most sense and isn't afraid to call fighters out who aren't taking them.

I love the fact that he brought up Dawson with Calzaghe, Why the fuck should have Joe been fighting Roy JOnes Jr? It was a bullshit fight, and why won't he fight Bernard Hopkins again? Or Glen Johnson who has been at the top of the LHW heap for the past 5 years?

Margarito is complaining that Mayweather isn't facing him, when Mayweather was chasing the linear welterweight belt for more money against Baldomir who made a name for himself, and now Margarito won't fight the only WW who he has lost to in years. Or Clottey who was doing very well before he hurt his hands. Mayweather fought Castillo the second time to prove himself, but people ask why guys like Margarito aren't liked, because they complain all the time, then they don't take risks unless it falls into their lap, or they have no other choice, but as soon as they are at the top they are the same as everyone else.

Do you really think that fighters are afraid of one another? Just because someone doesn't fight one guy in their next fight doesn't mean they won't fight them. Also usually the handlers make the fights, not the fighters. Most fighters will fight whomever.

I don't think that Margarito is ducking anyone because he takes another fight before a guy. Especially when his promoter has publicly stated a number of times he doesn't do immediate rematches. Also after the Williams fight Max read the statement that Arum doesn't want to deal with Williams handlers. I wouldn't blame that on Margarito.

I want Calzaghe to fight Johnson also. I do think Dawson is a big threat but Johnson deserves it and will give anyone a tough fight. I think Joe takes it though.

[PhillyKeith]

Maybe because he doesn't speak English and can't give a good interview or truly appeal to the public Talent is one thing but charisma (or some sort of drama that appeals to the imagination) will always get a fighter a bigger push in the public eye.