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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
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    Bush and the Democrat Congress have done some big damage to our economy...an Obama Presidency will only exacerbate things.
    Oh bull Lyle,you dont get the stink off you that easy,your party controlled congress for most of the Bush Administration
    True but it doesn't keep Democrats from being responsible for what they have done/will do.
    It's incredible. I explain stuff to you using facts and evidence to the point where you concede the argument. Then later you come out with exactly the same rubbish again. No matter how many times you're told that Fannie/Freddie/Jimmy Carter had nothing to do with the current mess it has no effect, it's like some kind of unkillable zombie lies that you can't not believe. This is why the mass gayification of conservatives has become necessary.

    Once again, Fannie/Freddie/Carter/Clinton are not responsible for the current mess. The removal of all regulation and oversight of the financial industry by the Bush administration and their 2004 deal to allow investment banks to lever up their debt:asset ratio from a safe 10-15:1 to 40 and 50 and more :1 is. If Fannie, Freddie and the Community Reinvestment Act had never existed the exact same situation would currently exist.

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    In the summer of 2003, leaders of the four federal agencies that oversee the banking industry gathered to highlight the Bush administration's commitment to reducing regulation. They posed for photographers behind a stack of papers wrapped in red tape. The others held garden shears. Gilleran, who succeeded Seidman as OTS director in late 2001, hefted a chain saw.



    Gilleran was an impassioned advocate of deregulation. He cut a quarter of the agency's 1,200 employees between 2001 and 2004, even though the value of loans and other assets of the firms regulated by OTS increased by half over the same period. The result was a mismatch between a short-handed agency and a burgeoning thrift industry.





    Banking Regulator Played Advocate Over Enforcer - washingtonpost.com


    The whole of this article is good, full of facts and evidence. It only covers one small part of the overall scrapping of regulation and oversight of the financial industry that Bush was responsible for too.



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    Say what you will Captain Happy but out of the Democrats' own mouths come the words that I can use against them. Fannie and Freddie ARE corrupt organizations and the reason why stems from the coupling of BUSINESS and GOVERNMENT...GSE's are WRONG!



    Once again I don't say the Republicans are not at fault, I just say the Democrats need to admit that the Republicans aren't alone. I also say that the Democrats have fucked us over in continuously bailing out the Wall Street brats who sold EVERYBODY out!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Say what you will Captain Happy but out of the Democrats' own mouths come the words that I can use against them. Fannie and Freddie ARE corrupt organizations and the reason why stems from the coupling of BUSINESS and GOVERNMENT...GSE's are WRONG!



    Once again I don't say the Republicans are not at fault, I just say the Democrats need to admit that the Republicans aren't alone. I also say that the Democrats have fucked us over in continuously bailing out the Wall Street brats who sold EVERYBODY out!!!!
    F and F are far less corrupt than the rest of the system. Now that the US government is currently bailing out every major US bank not only F and F but the entire US banking system are now Government Sponsored Enterprises. So is GEC, the car industry, half the insurance industry, state governments, etc. They're all socialist now baby. And again, if F and F had never existed the exact same thing would have happened. They're just two more privately-owned financial companies that are now on government welfare.

    Republicans are alone. Exactly who has bailed everybody out so far Lyle?


    Here's a new newspaper report today. I'm guessing this won't get much TV coverage :


    The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.
    “Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories,” California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job.
    Bowing to aggressive lobbying — along with assurances from banks that the troubled mortgages were OK — regulators delayed action for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and the meltdown was under way.
    “These mortgages have been considered more safe and sound for portfolio lenders than many fixed rate mortgages,” David Schneider, home loan president of Washington Mutual, told federal regulators in early 2006. Two years later, WaMu became the largest bank failure in U.S. history.
    Bank regulators had proposed new guidelines for writing risky loans in 2005, but were rebuffed by the White House. The proposed regulations might have avoided the worst fo the housing and credit crisis, had they been enacted.





    What was so especially damning was these proposals were all stripped from the final Administrative rules by the Bush White House. None required congressional approval or even the president’s signature:
    • Before banks could purchase mortgages from brokers, they should verify the process to ensure buyers could afford their homes.
    • Regulators told bankers exotic mortgages were often inappropriate for buyers with bad credit.
    • Banks would have been required to increase efforts to verify that buyers actually had jobs and could afford houses.
    • Regulators proposed a cap on risky mortgages so a string of defaults wouldn’t be crippling.
    • Banks that bundled and sold mortgages were told to be sure investors knew exactly what they were buying.
    • Regulators urged banks to help buyers make responsible decisions and clearly advise them that interest rates might skyrocket and huge payments might be due sooner than expected.
    The banks that lobbied most aggressively against the rules reads like a who’s who of bankruptcy and FDIC conservatorship: IndyMac, Countrywide Financial, Washington Mutual, Lehman Brothers, and Downey Savings.


    The Associated Press: AP IMPACT: US diluted loan rules before crash

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    Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
    Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
    Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
    S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
    Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
    The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
    Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
    Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
    NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion
    TOTAL: $3.92 trillion


    World War II: Original Cost: $288 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $3.6 trillion

    Total cost : $7.52 trillion.








    Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government is prepared to provide more than $7.76 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers after guaranteeing $306 billion of Citigroup Inc. debt yesterday. The pledges, amounting to half the value of everything produced in the nation last year, are intended to rescue the financial system after the credit markets seized up 15 months ago.





    The unprecedented pledge of funds includes $3.18 trillion already tapped by financial institutions in the biggest response to an economic emergency since the New Deal of the 1930s, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The commitment dwarfs the plan approved by lawmakers, the Treasury Department’s $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. Federal Reserve lending last week was 1,900 times the weekly average for the three years before the crisis.





    When Congress approved the TARP on Oct. 3, Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson acknowledged the need for transparency and oversight. Now, as regulators commit far more money while refusing to disclose loan recipients or reveal the collateral they are taking in return, some Congress members are calling for the Fed to be reined in.





    Bloomberg.com: Exclusive

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    So congress is now calling for the Fed to be reined in but did they or did they not vote to bail out companies only AFTER putting in a little pork just to win some more votes over.


    Oh it's mighty scary how much power the Fed Chairman wields now. But to not give any blame to the people that voted for these big bail outs is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    So congress is now calling for the Fed to be reined in but did they or did they not vote to bail out companies only AFTER putting in a little pork just to win some more votes over.


    Oh it's mighty scary how much power the Fed Chairman wields now. But to not give any blame to the people that voted for these big bail outs is wrong.
    It isn't wrong at all, it's exactly right. The original proposal Bush sent Congress was a one page document that gave the Bush Treasury total control over the $700 billion with zero congressional oversight and immunity from prosecution should there be any corruption in spending the 700. Congress eventually passed a far better bill for the taxpayer than the GOP originally wanted. And Congress was forced to pass the bailout bill because Bush had fucked the economy up to such an extent it was in danger of total meltdown. If they hadn't passed anything we'd already be facing a Depression, as it is we may still avoid one.

    But let's lay the blame where it belongs Lyle. The Democrats had nothing to do with this, this is all Bush's fault.

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