Why does HBO hate on Margarito

[Dean Duke]

I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.

A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.

Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.

In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.

Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.

Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.

IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.

Man,I just don't know what fight you were watching .How about a little credit where credit is due?In no way was the Tony/Williams fight a 7 point edge for Williams.Williams was a boxing fool and started fast but Tony is a slow starter from the get go,even in the Cotto fight it was a jabbing contest in the 1st round.I had Williams up by 2 points in a very tight call with Tony coming on strong in the 2nd half and being the far better hitter and forcing the tempo.As for the Cotto fight...it amazes me how many act as if a magical switch was flipped in the late rounds and Cotto just fell apart by his own choosing.....While Cotto was landing the 'ohhh's & ahhh's' punches upstairs,his body attack had been essentially shut down and Margarito was having a major impact on Cottos own body as early as the 2nd round...consistantly and with a big accumliative effect?It was as a graduale and increasing 'destruction' of an undefeated ,improving in quality and championship calibur fighter as Ive seen in years...as opposed to a Tyson vs. Lewis and Gatti vs. Mayweather....one was shot to pieces and the other was being led to the guilotine by one of the top p4p guys around.

You could see that Cotto was landing the more flashy shots but Marg had his number from round 2 when he busted up Cottos nose, the way both fighters walked back to their corners said all you need to know, it was'nt a total beat down but come on just look at both fighters after the fight, no comparison one xxxked up the other hardly a mark on him. It don't matter who is considerd the more skillfull it's the result that counts, heart, desire and a rock hard noggin can beat skills sometimes, thats the way it is and always will be. Cant wait for the rematch and TBH I think Marg does it just the same, what can Cotto do diffrent if he goes toe to toe he gets busted up, if he boxes like last time he gets busted up, who knows maybe swallowing blood for most of the fight did it, we will find out next time.

[Taeth]

Look at the Lovermore N'Dou vs Cotto fight, Cotto's face looked busted up there as well, look at his face in the Judah fight. Cotto isn't as tough physically or mentally as Margarito. Some guys faces can look the same through any amount of punishment, while other guys look like their faces have rearranged from far less punishment. You could definitely tell that Cotto was having problems with the pressure from round 2 on, but it wasn't his head that was snapping back 10+ times a round.

Obviously Margarito won the fight, but I am saying it wasn't a destruction. People are getting way too far fetched.

[Rantcatrat]

Look at the Lovermore N'Dou vs Cotto fight, Cotto's face looked busted up there as well, look at his face in the Judah fight. Cotto isn't as tough physically or mentally as Margarito. Some guys faces can look the same through any amount of punishment, while other guys look like their faces have rearranged from far less punishment. You could definitely tell that Cotto was having problems with the pressure from round 2 on, but it wasn't his head that was snapping back 10+ times a round.

Obviously Margarito won the fight, but I am saying it wasn't a destruction. People are getting way too far fetched.

Taeth,

I disagree. Cotto gets more credit in his loss against Margarito than most fighters do that are forced to submit after being viciously knocked down three times. Conversely, Margarito doesn't get as much credit as most fighters do that beat a top ten p4p fighter in their prime and on their way up the ladder.

If your definition of destruction is a domination from round one that ends in a catastrophic KO, then you are right, it wasn't a destruction. But, Margarito beat Cotto up. Plain and simple. Fights last 12 rounds for a reason.

Also, the official scorecards don't bear out your opinion of the Margarito v. Williams fight. They were: 115-113, 115-113, and 116-112. In my books, that is a close fight. Again, I give Paul credit where it is due (this post isn't about Paul). He beat Margarito. I still say I haven't seen a closer fight against Williams. Moreover, recently Williams has been knocking people out left and right, but he never even hurt Margarito, which is testament to Margarito.

And just to make it interesting, I'll come out right now and say it, as much as I like Mosley, I fully expect Margarito to steam roll through him in January as well.

[Taeth]

Look at the Lovermore N'Dou vs Cotto fight, Cotto's face looked busted up there as well, look at his face in the Judah fight. Cotto isn't as tough physically or mentally as Margarito. Some guys faces can look the same through any amount of punishment, while other guys look like their faces have rearranged from far less punishment. You could definitely tell that Cotto was having problems with the pressure from round 2 on, but it wasn't his head that was snapping back 10+ times a round.

Obviously Margarito won the fight, but I am saying it wasn't a destruction. People are getting way too far fetched.

Taeth,

I disagree. Cotto gets more credit in his loss against Margarito than most fighters do that are forced to submit after being viciously knocked down three times. Conversely, Margarito doesn't get as much credit as most fighters do that beat a top ten p4p fighter in their prime and on their way up the ladder.

If your definition of destruction is a domination from round one that ends in a catastrophic KO, then you are right, it wasn't a destruction. But, Margarito beat Cotto up. Plain and simple. Fights last 12 rounds for a reason.

Also, the official scorecards don't bear out your opinion of the Margarito v. Williams fight. They were: 115-113, 115-113, and 116-112. In my books, that is a close fight. Again, I give Paul credit where it is due (this post isn't about Paul). He beat Margarito. I still say I haven't seen a closer fight against Williams. Moreover, recently Williams has been knocking people out left and right, but he never even hurt Margarito, which is testament to Margarito.

And just to make it interesting, I'll come out right now and say it, as much as I like Mosley, I fully expect Margarito to steam roll through him in January as well.

Scorecards are bullshit I don't value what judges say half the time, look at some of the scorecards lately. MAB-JMM: 116-111, 116-111, 118-109?!!! WTF, did they even see the fight? PBF-ODLH: 113-115, 115-113, 116-112 Only the 116-112 made any sense, Mayweather won 8 or 9 of the rounds. In Joe CAlzaghe-Bernard Hopkins: one of the judges had Calzaghe up by 5 rounds with the knockdown, wtf was he watching. Or Hopkins-Wright: 116-112,117-111,117-111 wtf was going on here?

Margarito-Williams was competitive for the second half of the fight, but it wasn't close fight because Williams got out to a huge lead, and he had to slow down a lot before Margarito could getting his offense going. Also we already knew Margarito had a good chin that doens't change anything that Williams who isn't a heavy puncher couldn't hurt him, Cotto and especially Cintron hit way harder than WIlliams. Williams also got outboxed by Carlos Quintana in their first fight, he caught Quintana flush the second time around, and to his credit stopped him, but Williams is easy to hit, and Margarito couldn't land for most of the fight, because he is only accurate on the inside.

As for Cotto-Margarito, I give him all the credit in the world for walking through what he did against Cintron and Cotto, and I don't see how me saying that Cotto clearly outboxed him the first 6 rounds changes that.

And he didn't knock Cotto visciously down, COtto took a knee both times, the second time Margarito hadn't even landed a shot and Cotto went down. What Margarito did nobody else had been able to do, that was stop Cotto, but other guys had badly hurt Cotto, other guys have made Cotto fight off his back foot all night (Abdullaev, and Lovemore Ndou) Ndou and Mosley took Cotto's punches just as easily as Margarito, but he threw more punches, did more damage, and proved himself. I just think people looked too much into this fight, I thought Cotto would win going in, but I knew stylewise he was in for a tough fight, that he couldn't hurt Margarito, and I wasn't sure how he defense would hold up. I give credit to Margarito for breaking somebodies will who I didn't think he would, but the win doesn't make him a better fighter than Cotto, and doesn't make him a great fighter. Mayorga beat up Vernon Forrest, who was way better than him, because of the matchup. IMO Jermain Taylor is better than Pavlik, but lost because of the matchup, and I think Pavlik who is a good fighter like Margarito maybe even better, gets too much credit for what he did against Taylor.

As for Margarito-Mosley, Mosley has the wrong mentality and is there for the picking, but I highly doubt Margarito will stop him, and I think it will be an uglier fight than most think. Mosley and Vargas was, Mosley and Mayorga was, its hard to get offense going against Mosley who fights so wierd against bigger guys.