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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitmanhatton View Post
    when was the last time oscars left hook caused serious damage to an elite fighter ... vargas ?
    Mayorga may not be an elite fighter, but he did have a very good chin in his day (and he's much bigger than Pacquiao), and he was knocked flat on his back by an Oscar left hook in the 1st round.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    i was awaiting that response,

    yes mayorga HAD a good chin, tito took that away from him, and yes mayorga was bigger but so was Oscar at 154 DLH is alot more comfortable than he will be at 147 now,

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Also, keep in mind that Pacquiao had his legs buckled by a Marquez left hook in Round 2 of their rematch. Luckily for Pac, it happened with about :02 left in the round and Marquez wasn't able to jump on him.

    Marquez spent most of his career as a featherweight... if his left hook can wobble Pacquiao, it would stand to reason that a left hook from Oscar can have a serious impact on Pacquiao.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    JMM hits decepitvley hard i think, he was the first guy to stop casamayor after also he also just has Pacquiao figure out, his that one fighter that has his number, i doubt that Oscar can replicate JMM's style and be that effective

    i honestly just see DLH trying to push Manny to the ropes and hit him with the rather ineffective body shots he used against Floyd and he appears to be doing this alot in his sparring from what iv seen on 24/7
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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPea View Post
    Also, keep in mind that Pacquiao had his legs buckled by a Marquez left hook in Round 2 of their rematch. Luckily for Pac, it happened with about :02 left in the round and Marquez wasn't able to jump on him.

    Marquez spent most of his career as a featherweight... if his left hook can wobble Pacquiao, it would stand to reason that a left hook from Oscar can have a serious impact on Pacquiao.
    Pac was Koed by 3k & Torrecampo. Why does the best of Mexico cannot do the same?

    Because Pac was a Healthy 126-135 pounder. At 147 Pac will be much healthier. DLH won't be.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Yesterday in his interview, pac said he weighed 147lbs while still eating heartily. That's how small he is, he has to eat and eat to maintain that level of weight while training. At least, there won't be any single drop of sweat to be drained this time so he will definitely be at his strongest...

    But I'd still say Oscar can send him flying over the corner post with his best punch...
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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitmanhatton View Post
    JMM hits decepitvley hard i think, he was the first guy to stop casamayor after also he also just has Pacquiao figure out, his that one fighter that has his number, i doubt that Oscar can replicate JMM's style and be that effective

    i honestly just see DLH trying to push Manny to the ropes and hit him with the rather ineffective body shots he used against Floyd and he appears to be doing this alot in his sparring from what iv seen on 24/7
    They where ineffective because Floyd is a tremendous defensive fighter AND a tremendous counter puncher. Pac is neither. Oscar, if smart, will pump his jab early...using his superior skill to set Manny up for the left hook. The big question marks are this: how will Pac handle Oscar's power and will Pac's power have any effect on Oscar. Unless Pac has the strategy to fight a technical fight and try and win on points...he better have something on his punch to make Oscar respect him. Because if he doesn't...Oscar will take his best shots and shrug them off. Pac will be hoping that Oscar shows up so weight drained that he is super weak. Otherwise...the size difference will eventually prevail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhubin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hitmanhatton View Post
    JMM hits decepitvley hard i think, he was the first guy to stop casamayor after also he also just has Pacquiao figure out, his that one fighter that has his number, i doubt that Oscar can replicate JMM's style and be that effective

    i honestly just see DLH trying to push Manny to the ropes and hit him with the rather ineffective body shots he used against Floyd and he appears to be doing this alot in his sparring from what iv seen on 24/7
    They where ineffective because Floyd is a tremendous defensive fighter AND a tremendous counter puncher. Pac is neither. Oscar, if smart, will pump his jab early...using his superior skill to set Manny up for the left hook. The big question marks are this: how will Pac handle Oscar's power and will Pac's power have any effect on Oscar. Unless Pac has the strategy to fight a technical fight and try and win on points...he better have something on his punch to make Oscar respect him. Because if he doesn't...Oscar will take his best shots and shrug them off. Pac will be hoping that Oscar shows up so weight drained that he is super weak. Otherwise...the size difference will eventually prevail.
    Yeah ... cant argue with that, & pretty much as I see it too ....

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Pac's gonna have to use his own right hook off ODLH's jab, he has to outquick ODLH or it's gonna be a long night for him. Work the body on ODLH if he can inside. He better have an answer for the jab and avoid going backwards.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Pac Man keys to victory...

    Throw a couple of your fat ass trainers and leaches into the ring with DLH.
    The key is Self-discipline.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Zhubin mentioned PAC's power being the key. I would tend to agree. If PAC can't hurt DLH and slow him down or make DLH respect him, then I don't give PAC too much of a chance.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Today & even as a kid,I feared the hometown carnivals and traveling circus attractions.The rides broke down (and thats IF you met the height requirements),The corn dogs and orange juliuses were over priced and tasted day's old and the game booths with prizes always seemed rigged with the odds stacked against you of leaving with anything beneficial.Wait.....is this the 'what annoys you thread'

    Pac should go body/chest from the jump off.Left hand upstairs and except that his power shots are diminished once out of the land of Lilliputian and he will pay a price for head hunting....go for the busting up effect with tight circling & selective loading up.Pac will be taxed to the body like never before I believe and I can see him being forced to stand stock still increasingly by the golden Diva.
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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Pac should attack early and tire DLH. If he keeps the distance, he will be in trouble coz DLH has longer reach. I suggest Pac does the same thing during Pac vs JMM1 especially during the 1st round.

    There should be no hesitation on Pac. He should fight all the way and go for the body shots in the early rounds.

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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    After watching the Forbes fight, I thought Oscar is still pretty much capable of putting up a decent fight. IMO, he still had good power, decent speed, though little less stronger overall than before. Definitely, he did seem to have enough power in his punches to KO pac and I think that will be the biggest problem for my boy in this fight.

    Strategy-wise, I'm very sure the body will be the main target for pac. He'll probably be moving around to Oscar's left while taking some potshots here and there, and aiming for the belly as many times as he can, in a cat-and-mouse style of fight. Or alternatively, he may go forward while keeping his gloves high trying to block Oscar's shots while going for his body, trying to wear him down and even aiming for the KO with body shots. In either way, what concerns me most is how it would be possible for pac to avoid Oscar's big shots. He'll still be vulnerable if he fight in his usual way, using his speed trying to outpuch his opponent 5 to 1 - going in too much would be very risky, IMO. On the other hand, if he try to go forward using the 'Winky-style' stonewall defense, I think Oscar still has enough power to penetrate the gloves or at least give it a good shock, enough to stop pac on his tracks. And finally, I think Oscar is pretty much capable of bullying small guy like pac, at least in the early rounds. At any rate, I think pac might have some chances if he can just survive the early rounds.

    If it weren't for Freddie's 'no way we can lose' statement, I wouldn't have given a nick of a chance for my boy. But he sez so and who am I to say nay, though he could just be bluffing. So I've got to see how they're planning to achieve they're 'no way' plan - I've got to see this one...
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    Default Re: Now seriously, what's the possible 'winning' strategy for pacman.

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPea View Post
    First off, Pacquiao is going to taste Oscar's left hook at some point. It's inevitable. Pacquiao is not Whitaker or Mayweather, he doesn't have the defensive skills or the mindset to avoid Oscar's left hook for 12 rounds. He is going to be hit with a flush left hook at some point, and he has no choice but to be able to handle it.

    The punch Pacquiao needs to avoid is the jab, and he needs to avoid the jab by constantly staying in Oscar's chest, negating Oscar's reach. This will also prevent Oscar from extending his arms, reducing some of his power. He needs to constantly be in his face and force him to fight 3 minutes of every round, since stamina and workrate figure to be Pacquiao's main advantages over Oscar.

    Some fighters use their speed by keeping the fight on the outside, I think Pacquiao has to do the opposite and use his speed to get inside.
    Im with this one.

    Aside from a block, Theres only a few ways to avoid power and reach, one is run and time,the other is flexability /reactions to ride with with whats comming in and the other is to choke off the shot and dont allow it its full momentum.

    If he has trained for all of these and fights completley in the zone he has a hope of catching Oscar late and taking him out.

    But I think Oscar wins this mid rounds Tko and loads of money privatley moves from Philipinos pockets into American /Mex/latino ones.

    Go PAC MAN ! Go the underdog! I hope he wins, be good for the sport and future viewing.
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