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    Did PBF fight any fights at 147 other than against Baldomir and Hatton (who, at 5'6, is a very small welterweight)? Is he considered a true welterweight? Didn't he fight most of his career at lighter weightclasses? PBF jumped up weight, but he retired before he beat any of the top welterweights. When he retired the welterweight division included: Cotto, Shane, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey. None of whom he fought.

    Listed at 6'1 1/2, Williams is a very tall welterweight. However, Margarito at 5'11 is not an extremely tall weltweight. Haven't there been many weltweights who fought at 5'11?

    Height and reach (to a lesser extent) don't always translate into a winning combination. For a recent example look to Stipe Drews. Drews, a light heavyweight from Croatia, stood 6'5, and was rocked by Danny Green, who stood 6'1. On the other hand, if the boxer fights tall, using mostly his jab to distance himself from his opponent, height and reach can be highly effective against smaller opponents.

    In addition, I think taller boxers may naturally fight at lower weight class because they have thin frames. Williams is 6'1 1/2 can fight at weltweight and junior middleweight because he has a thin frame. Nonetheless, his height is more than sufficient for a light heavyweight, but imagine what would happen if he ran into some of the big punching light heavyweights.

    My hypothesis would be that a relationship exists between height and body frame that translates into the weight class a boxer should fight at.

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    Default Re: Wannabe Welterweights..

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Did PBF fight any fights at 147 other than against Baldomir and Hatton (who, at 5'6, is a very small welterweight)? Is he considered a true welterweight? Didn't he fight most of his career at lighter weightclasses? PBF jumped up weight, but he retired before he beat any of the top welterweights. When he retired the welterweight division included: Cotto, Shane, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey. None of whom he fought.

    Listed at 6'1 1/2, Williams is a very tall welterweight. However, Margarito at 5'11 is not an extremely tall weltweight. Haven't there been many weltweights who fought at 5'11?

    Height and reach (to a lesser extent) don't always translate into a winning combination. For a recent example look to Stipe Drews. Drews, a light heavyweight from Croatia, stood 6'5, and was rocked by Danny Green, who stood 6'1. On the other hand, if the boxer fights tall, using mostly his jab to distance himself from his opponent, height and reach can be highly effective against smaller opponents.

    In addition, I think taller boxers may naturally fight at lower weight class because they have thin frames. Williams is 6'1 1/2 can fight at weltweight and junior middleweight because he has a thin frame. Nonetheless, his height is more than sufficient for a light heavyweight, but imagine what would happen if he ran into some of the big punching light heavyweights.

    My hypothesis would be that a relationship exists between height and body frame that translates into the weight class a boxer should fight at.

    PBF also fought Mitchell and Judah at WW (both small compared to the divisions standards) however it should be noted that at one point or another Judah and Baldomir were the undisputed champs at 147.

    I think if someone can make weight then they can justify being in a weightclass. If someone really wanted to change the equation then they would have same day weigh-ins.
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    i think same day weigh in sounds good.

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    Default Re: Wannabe Welterweights..

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Did PBF fight any fights at 147 other than against Baldomir and Hatton (who, at 5'6, is a very small welterweight)? Is he considered a true welterweight? Didn't he fight most of his career at lighter weightclasses? PBF jumped up weight, but he retired before he beat any of the top welterweights. When he retired the welterweight division included: Cotto, Shane, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey. None of whom he fought.

    Listed at 6'1 1/2, Williams is a very tall welterweight. However, Margarito at 5'11 is not an extremely tall weltweight. Haven't there been many weltweights who fought at 5'11?

    Height and reach (to a lesser extent) don't always translate into a winning combination. For a recent example look to Stipe Drews. Drews, a light heavyweight from Croatia, stood 6'5, and was rocked by Danny Green, who stood 6'1. On the other hand, if the boxer fights tall, using mostly his jab to distance himself from his opponent, height and reach can be highly effective against smaller opponents.

    In addition, I think taller boxers may naturally fight at lower weight class because they have thin frames. Williams is 6'1 1/2 can fight at weltweight and junior middleweight because he has a thin frame. Nonetheless, his height is more than sufficient for a light heavyweight, but imagine what would happen if he ran into some of the big punching light heavyweights.

    My hypothesis would be that a relationship exists between height and body frame that translates into the weight class a boxer should fight at.
    Why do people keep on thinking height means size, Its not only height that determines how big you are. I mean look how thick cotto is at 5'7, he looked bigger than the taller Mosley, he looked much bigger htan Judah who was the same height as him. Margarito is a huge welterweight not because he is 5'11, but because his a well muscled, relatively thick 5'11, he isn't spindly.

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    Default Re: Wannabe Welterweights..

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Did PBF fight any fights at 147 other than against Baldomir and Hatton (who, at 5'6, is a very small welterweight)? Is he considered a true welterweight? Didn't he fight most of his career at lighter weightclasses? PBF jumped up weight, but he retired before he beat any of the top welterweights. When he retired the welterweight division included: Cotto, Shane, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey. None of whom he fought.

    Listed at 6'1 1/2, Williams is a very tall welterweight. However, Margarito at 5'11 is not an extremely tall weltweight. Haven't there been many weltweights who fought at 5'11?

    Height and reach (to a lesser extent) don't always translate into a winning combination. For a recent example look to Stipe Drews. Drews, a light heavyweight from Croatia, stood 6'5, and was rocked by Danny Green, who stood 6'1. On the other hand, if the boxer fights tall, using mostly his jab to distance himself from his opponent, height and reach can be highly effective against smaller opponents.

    In addition, I think taller boxers may naturally fight at lower weight class because they have thin frames. Williams is 6'1 1/2 can fight at weltweight and junior middleweight because he has a thin frame. Nonetheless, his height is more than sufficient for a light heavyweight, but imagine what would happen if he ran into some of the big punching light heavyweights.

    My hypothesis would be that a relationship exists between height and body frame that translates into the weight class a boxer should fight at.
    Why do people keep on thinking height means size, Its not only height that determines how big you are. I mean look how thick cotto is at 5'7, he looked bigger than the taller Mosley, he looked much bigger htan Judah who was the same height as him. Margarito is a huge welterweight not because he is 5'11, but because his a well muscled, relatively thick 5'11, he isn't spindly.

    Exactly...Height is not size over all EG- Monute Bol..(or how ever you spell his name)...from the NBA...He was the tallest guy in the league at the time I think...BUT he was so skinny he could not compete with the mass of the other centers...mass is the over all
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    Default Re: Wannabe Welterweights..

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Did PBF fight any fights at 147 other than against Baldomir and Hatton (who, at 5'6, is a very small welterweight)? Is he considered a true welterweight? Didn't he fight most of his career at lighter weightclasses? PBF jumped up weight, but he retired before he beat any of the top welterweights. When he retired the welterweight division included: Cotto, Shane, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey. None of whom he fought.

    Listed at 6'1 1/2, Williams is a very tall welterweight. However, Margarito at 5'11 is not an extremely tall weltweight. Haven't there been many weltweights who fought at 5'11?

    Height and reach (to a lesser extent) don't always translate into a winning combination. For a recent example look to Stipe Drews. Drews, a light heavyweight from Croatia, stood 6'5, and was rocked by Danny Green, who stood 6'1. On the other hand, if the boxer fights tall, using mostly his jab to distance himself from his opponent, height and reach can be highly effective against smaller opponents.

    In addition, I think taller boxers may naturally fight at lower weight class because they have thin frames. Williams is 6'1 1/2 can fight at weltweight and junior middleweight because he has a thin frame. Nonetheless, his height is more than sufficient for a light heavyweight, but imagine what would happen if he ran into some of the big punching light heavyweights.

    My hypothesis would be that a relationship exists between height and body frame that translates into the weight class a boxer should fight at.
    Why do people keep on thinking height means size, Its not only height that determines how big you are. I mean look how thick cotto is at 5'7, he looked bigger than the taller Mosley, he looked much bigger htan Judah who was the same height as him. Margarito is a huge welterweight not because he is 5'11, but because his a well muscled, relatively thick 5'11, he isn't spindly.
    I don't think I was arguing that height means size. My point was there is a relationship between height and body frame (which probably means size) that translates into what is the natural weight class for a boxer. It would be impossible to be a 6'1 1/2 boxer with a big size and fight at 147. For example, Tyson had the height of a big welterweight, but was a much bigger man than most boxers in general.

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