Which prospect on Dec 06 has the most potential?

[Taeth]

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

[killersheep]

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

[Kel]

Ortiz is the one I'm most exited about from those.

[Spicoli]

Ortiz is the one I'm most exited about from those.

Agreed.Looking forward to his go with Resto Saturday night,nice step.Legitimate southpaw power & hand speed.Like his cofidence and activity also.

[Taeth]

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

[killersheep]

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree, I consider those guys contenders and champs.

[Taeth]

I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree, I consider those guys contenders and champs.

Not trying to argue, but how did we know how Molitor would do against Caballero until they fought?

How would we know how ALi would do against Liston? Or Roy vs Toney?

I feel that until these guys fight the best in the world at their division there is always doubt about how good they will be when they take that step up.

[killersheep]

No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree, I consider those guys contenders and champs.

Not trying to argue, but how did we know how Molitor would do against Caballero until they fought?

How would we know how ALi would do against Liston? Or Roy vs Toney?

I feel that until these guys fight the best in the world at their division there is always doubt about how good they will be when they take that step up.

Let me try to understand your logic here better tell me if I understand correctly.

categories
1) Champ - The man of the division
2) Contender - People who have lost to the champ
3) Prospect - People who have not yet fought the champ.

is that correct?

[Taeth]

Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

[crazyguy1986]

hey there boxin on here

[TitoFan]

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

Juan Manuel's a champion, not a prospect. Maybe not a very well known champion, but a champion nonetheless. Prospects are good fighters with high probabilities of someday becoming champions. Therein lies the difference.

Glad to be of help.

[Taeth]

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

Juan Manuel's a champion, not a prospect. Maybe not a very well known champion, but a champion nonetheless. Prospects are good fighters with high probabilities of someday becoming champions. Therein lies the difference.

Glad to be of help.

Once again IMO belt holder and champion are two different things nowadays, being the ring champion IMO is being the champion.

[Taeth]

Wow, I can be wonderfully redundant and wrong...

[amat]

To answer the question I think it's JML because I think only JML has showed he has what it takes to be great as in the best fighter in boxing great, I think it's pretty hard to bet against him against anyone and he will be THE guy in the not to distant future. Really excited to see him I think there are a lot of guys coming up.

I can understand how JML can still be considered a prospect just based on what he's done versus what he is expecting to hopes to do. Certainly he has bigger fish to fry then Ponce De Leon or any of these guys he's beat, he still hasn't actually been tested in the ring yet with anyone close to his skill level. So I can understand how one could call him a prospect, I think it's OK either way.

Also what the hell is Hattonthehammer on about? Does he post here anymore I mean really, really? Wrong on about 10 trillion levels. I really don't want this to turn into a UK Fans versus US Fans thread but I have to get this in, if Andre Ward, Andre Berto, Andre Dirrell or the Peterson brothers got KO'd in the 1st round by a wild swinging Colombian, you couldn't get anyone here to say one good word about a win over Oisin Fagan. I think Khan is almost being given a break now that he's coming back simply because it's like an easy target. He's getting treated very well imo while Kirkland and Gamboa, guys who should be creating tremendous buzz simply because they are fun to watch fight, like Khan but at a higher level, aren't.