Without Taking ANY Credit Away From Manny...

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Absolutely Mick. And he was still cut-up and fast. Its just not his best weightclass to be at. He was really a big light welterweight last night weighing in at 142. That seems to be the highest he should weigh for any fight.

PAC says he was 146, evidence points at suspect scales at the weigh in.

A fight with Hatton would be big for sure, but the JW title itself isn't worth much IMO. Not much action in that division aside from Hatton. Is it worth it to go down to 140 for one fight, then back up? I suppose, if he is interested in racking up alphabet belts. I'm undecided on this point. I'd rather see him take on Mayweather at 147. Or some other welterweight. Let Hatton move up if he wants PAC. If he can handle it.

[Dizaster]

If Oscar fought much better and really tested Manny, then of course that's true, we would be able to tell a lot better how he can handle genuine Welterweights...

But from the fight we can still gauge a few things..

At that weight, he was still as fast and sharp as he was at lower weights..
His body still looked incredible.. Every single bit of that 142 or 145 lbs was pure, active, productive muscle..
His punches snapped as good as they did at lower weights.
His movement has gotten even better over his last couple of fights courtesy of Roach
The fact that he is the P4P fighter in the world, and now it's clear he looks the same at 140+ than he did at lower weights,, why couldn't we say that he logically would be the best 140 lbs out there...
He has been in some incredible scraps in the lower divisions and has really been messed up, and still continued on to win decisions.. He is incredibly tough, and the way he's carried his weight up to 142+, I personally would consider him a genuine 140 pounder now, and P4P will beat anyone at that weight...

It would be doing him a bit of an injustice to say that we don't know what he would be like with other welters, because I don't believe he should be considered a genuine 147 pound fighter.. He skipped 140 and I think that is where he should be considered now.... And at that weight, he'll be as sharp and tough as anyone out there... And I believe with a fight or 2 or 3 at that weight, he could look at 147... It would be incredibly hard to say how he would go against a Cotto or Margarito just based on Oscar.. Oscar brought nothing..

But what Pac proved on his own about how well he brought all his attributes and more up through the weight classes to maybe as high as 145 pounds, proves that as a P4P champ, you can say that he has a shot against anyone that he makes that weight at...


Or i'm just crazy..

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Absolutely Mick. And he was still cut-up and fast. Its just not his best weightclass to be at. He was really a big light welterweight last night weighing in at 142. That seems to be the highest he should weigh for any fight.

PAC says he was 146, evidence points at suspect scales at the weigh in.

A fight with Hatton would be big for sure, but the JW title itself isn't worth much IMO. Not much action in that division aside from Hatton. Is it worth it to go down to 140 for one fight, then back up? I suppose, if he is interested in racking up alphabet belts. I'm undecided on this point. I'd rather see him take on Mayweather at 147. Or some other welterweight. Let Hatton move up if he wants PAC. If he can handle it.

I think a fight with Hatton is the best possible option. Everyone who was saying Oscar was picking on the smaller man, the same would apply to Floyd. If he comes back he should fight TRUE Welterweights like Marg or Cotto. Even Williams at 154. I think I would dislike Floyd even more if he Fought Pac. Manny and Ricky should fight and both deserve the fight.

[CutMeMick]

If Oscar fought much better and really tested Manny, then of course that's true, we would be able to tell a lot better how he can handle genuine Welterweights...

But from the fight we can still gauge a few things..

At that weight, he was still as fast and sharp as he was at lower weights..
His body still looked incredible.. Every single bit of that 142 or 145 lbs was pure, active, productive muscle..
His punches snapped as good as they did at lower weights.
His movement has gotten even better over his last couple of fights courtesy of Roach
The fact that he is the P4P fighter in the world, and now it's clear he looks the same at 140+ than he did at lower weights,, why couldn't we say that he logically would be the best 140 lbs out there...
He has been in some incredible scraps in the lower divisions and has really been messed up, and still continued on to win decisions.. He is incredibly tough, and the way he's carried his weight up to 142+, I personally would consider him a genuine 140 pounder now, and P4P will beat anyone at that weight...

It would be doing him a bit of an injustice to say that we don't know what he would be like with other welters, because I don't believe he should be considered a genuine 147 pound fighter.. He skipped 140 and I think that is where he should be considered now.... And at that weight, he'll be as sharp and tough as anyone out there... And I believe with a fight or 2 or 3 at that weight, he could look at 147... It would be incredibly hard to say how he would go against a Cotto or Margarito just based on Oscar.. Oscar brought nothing..

But what Pac proved on his own about how well he brought all his attributes and more up through the weight classes to maybe as high as 145 pounds, proves that as a P4P champ, you can say that he has a shot against anyone that he makes that weight at...


Or i'm just crazy..

Superb post...
Very well said.

[Dizaster]

If Oscar fought much better and really tested Manny, then of course that's true, we would be able to tell a lot better how he can handle genuine Welterweights...

But from the fight we can still gauge a few things..

At that weight, he was still as fast and sharp as he was at lower weights..
His body still looked incredible.. Every single bit of that 142 or 145 lbs was pure, active, productive muscle..
His punches snapped as good as they did at lower weights.
His movement has gotten even better over his last couple of fights courtesy of Roach
The fact that he is the P4P fighter in the world, and now it's clear he looks the same at 140+ than he did at lower weights,, why couldn't we say that he logically would be the best 140 lbs out there...
He has been in some incredible scraps in the lower divisions and has really been messed up, and still continued on to win decisions.. He is incredibly tough, and the way he's carried his weight up to 142+, I personally would consider him a genuine 140 pounder now, and P4P will beat anyone at that weight...

It would be doing him a bit of an injustice to say that we don't know what he would be like with other welters, because I don't believe he should be considered a genuine 147 pound fighter.. He skipped 140 and I think that is where he should be considered now.... And at that weight, he'll be as sharp and tough as anyone out there... And I believe with a fight or 2 or 3 at that weight, he could look at 147... It would be incredibly hard to say how he would go against a Cotto or Margarito just based on Oscar.. Oscar brought nothing..

But what Pac proved on his own about how well he brought all his attributes and more up through the weight classes to maybe as high as 145 pounds, proves that as a P4P champ, you can say that he has a shot against anyone that he makes that weight at...


Or i'm just crazy..

Superb post...
Very well said.

A true honor.. I'm here for your applause Mick