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    Default Re: Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

    Jermain Taylor-If he agrees to it.

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    Default Re: Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

    Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

    Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!
    What is Jermain's style of fight?

    I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

    Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!
    What is Jermain's style of fight?

    I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

    carls predominently a slow starter that takes time to work his opponent out.

    But as soon as he realised taylors method of fighting straight lines Froch would box taylors head off and maybe even force a late stoppage.

    That win saturday was one of the most impressive performances from a british fighter this year and froch is worthy of the kudos he`ll rightfully receive for it.
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    To be honest next for the cobra should be get back to the gym and work on his defence, I was surprised at how easy a slow Robin Reid could tag him and Pascal had no trouble finding the target either. As much as I loved saturdays fight I can't see him beating Kessler or Taylor, Pavlik stopped Taylor but Taylor learned his lesson and has improved, also Im not convinced Frochs power is all its made out to be, I think he should go for Bute next, this would be a huge win for him IF he could pull it off...

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    I doubt he'll face any of the bigger names next.. looks like location problems making fights with Taylor, Bute, Mundine and maybe Kessler.. Andrade and Bika will travel but team Froch will probably want something easier for his first defence

    Miranda?
    Berrio?
    Lacy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I doubt he'll face any of the bigger names next.. looks like location problems making fights with Taylor, Bute, Mundine and maybe Kessler.. Andrade and Bika will travel but team Froch will probably want something easier for his first defence

    Miranda?
    Berrio?
    Lacy?
    Oh, please, let it be Miranda!!!! Pretty Please!!!

    Left Hand that hangs by the knee. Fighter is slow to get up hand and doesn't roll his shoulder properly. Puncher with huge overhand right. Hmmm....see where this is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.

    Kesslers the fight id like to see and what with US tvs reluctance with mikkel its a distinct possibility kessler-froch come 2009 could well happen!!
    What is Jermain's style of fight?

    I'm not convinced of either fighter at super middlweight. Jermain would beat Froch to the punch nine times out of ten. Jermain has a good jab. I see Jermain beating Froch for the first 5 rounds and then Froch stepping it up. The fight would be close and it would depend on Jermain's stamina.

    carls predominently a slow starter that takes time to work his opponent out.

    But as soon as he realised taylors method of fighting straight lines Froch would box taylors head off and maybe even force a late stoppage.

    That win saturday was one of the most impressive performances from a british fighter this year and froch is worthy of the kudos he`ll rightfully receive for it.
    don't mistake entertaining for impressive. Defensively he was awful, and couldn't counter the wild shots coming his way. He showed OK stamina, a good chin, decent (but in no way devastating) power.

    The question is whether this is enough to compete with the top guys, Taylor at 168 is still an unproven commodity so hard to say. Bute may be fragile enough to get to, but he's a decent boxer and could easily UD Froch in Canada. Bika and Andrade are interesting, guys with similar attributes to Froch. Andrade may be an even worse boxer, but has better stamina, it should be fun finding out.

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    Default Re: Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.
    Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

    Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

    I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

    But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlerock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.
    Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

    Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

    I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

    But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

    Taylor completely outworked Bhop in that 1st fight and yet only took a close decision because he failed to impress the judges later on in the rounds.

    You dont see that with froch, he doesnt have to throw it all out their during a contest because he`s able to pick his moments consistently well and force mistakes out of his opponents rather than go looking for them as taylor does.

    ok so everyday of the week may of been a bit harsh on my part. I just think if the fight was ever going to happen unless it was under a cortez type ref who would wanna break up frochs work pattern whenever possible carl would do enough to ensure he doesnt get himself caught on the ropes or forced into an all out slugout which taylor would win 9/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by littlerock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Froch beats taylor everyday of the week for me

    too smart a fighter to get drawn into jermains style of fight and his ability to pick a punch and win rounds in small spells would be more than enough to see him take a unanimous points decision.
    Funny, switch their names and I'd agree with you 100%.

    Taylor's got an amazing ability to steal rounds with flurries alone (see the 2nd Pavlik fight which was very close despite Taylor being outworked almost 2:1), not to mention his jab would score all night against Froch's exposed chin as well as work to set up his overhand right. He showed a pretty left hook off his jab in the Lacy fight too which I'm sure Froch would see plenty of.

    I'd give Froch a chance to beat Taylor based on his power alone, but he's going to have to be both smart and lucky to do it, otherwise Taylor takes at least an 8-4 decision.

    But Froch beating Taylor every day of the week? You cannot honestly believe it. You may want it, but you can't be buying it.

    Taylor completely outworked Bhop in that 1st fight and yet only took a close decision because he failed to impress the judges later on in the rounds.

    You dont see that with froch, he doesnt have to throw it all out their during a contest because he`s able to pick his moments consistently well and force mistakes out of his opponents rather than go looking for them as taylor does.

    ok so everyday of the week may of been a bit harsh on my part. I just think if the fight was ever going to happen unless it was under a cortez type ref who would wanna break up frochs work pattern whenever possible carl would do enough to ensure he doesnt get himself caught on the ropes or forced into an all out slugout which taylor would win 9/10
    You do realize you just compared Froch to Hopkins?

    Froch may pick his shots but that's because he puts it all into every punch looking for a KO and therefore doesn't have the energy to sustain a consistent pace over 12 rounds.

    I truly don't understand your analysis, as it goes against conventional wisdom for this matchup. Taylor wins a slugfest 9/10 times? Taylor's at his best when he fights patiently, using his jab to set up combinations. He doesn't get into slugfests often, and when he does he either gets his punches in and gets out, or ties up his opponent. For one, he knows he doesn't have the toughest chin in the world, and secondly, he knows he is good enough to win the fight without taking unnecessary damage from an all-out brawl.

    Taylor's superior skill, combined with Froch's power and chin, are exactly the reasons that Froch would be best served by trying to draw Taylor into a toe-to-toe battle.

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    He loses to Taylor, Bute and Kessler.

    I think Taylor will be his next opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    He loses to Taylor, Bute and Kessler.

    I think Taylor will be his next opponent.

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    Taylor beat Hopkins and drew with Wright. He's stopped Raul Marquez and dominated Lacy (who blew out Robin Reid, Froch's second best win).

    Bute has wins over Bika, Berrio, and Andrade.

    Kessler is Kessler. He gave Calzaghe all he could handle, dominated Andrade, and beat Mundine like a rented mule on his home turf.

    Froch has beaten a shot Robin Reid and a decent journeyman, Pascal. And Pascal gave him all he could handle. For all the hype Froch fans have given him, I expected him to destroy Pascal. From what I've seen of Pascal, he's nothing special at all and I expected a blowout.

    If some people don't think much of him, it's just the he hasn't given us a reason to think much of him. Oh, and he's 31 years old, not some 26 yo prospect. That's not hate. Those are just he facts. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the ring with those guys, but I can't see a single reason to make him a favorite.

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    Default Re: Froch - What Next for the Cobra...?

    Calling Pascal a "journyman" is a liberty. He may not be anything special but he's got talent.

    Bute was virtually KO'd last time out. If Andrade can KO him Froch has to be given that chance too.

    Taylor seems to be in decline since Hopkins. Froch, being naturally bigger, and i'd bet hungrier, would have a good chance of knocking the fight out of him.

    The betting would be close if Froch faced either of those two. Wins either way wouldn't be surprising.

    I'd rather see Froch vs Bika/Andrade.. thats got serious PUNCH-UP written all over it
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