I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2

[the_PRODIGY]

1 Marquez
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Pacquiao
8 Marquez
9 Pacquiao
10 Pacquiao
11 Marquez
12 Marquez

Same score i had last time 114-113 Marquez, i thought Marquez pulled it out in the championship rounds.

the last two rounds was the only thing we disagreed. I gave Pac the 11th and scored the 12th even. Please watch the last two rounds again. I knew Marquez threw a lot of punches but he didn't think he landed that many. While Pac was suddenly jabbing and throwing hooks with his right and lead left hands. I remember Emmanuel Steward and Larry Merchant noticed how Pac was doing a great job defensively. And after the 11th Lampley (who I think had a huge bet for Marquez ) even added Marquez may have to knock Pacquiao out to win. I don't think they will say those words if Marquez won the round convingly. same goes for the 12th. I think Marquez threw more punches but it's Pac defense and boxing that stood out to me.

Manny Pacquiao may have been good defensively, but JMM carried the round being aggressive. And out punching Manny Pacquiao. I just watched the round again. And in the 2nd half of the round JMM controlled the round.

He landed some good right hands and a few thumping body shots, Manny Pacquiao fought too cautiously. And he allowed JMM to win the round being more aggressive and controlling a majority of the round.

As for the 12th round which im rewatching right now, JMM started off the round landing a nice uppercut then a right hand. Then some nice head/body shots. He clearly controlled the first half of the round.

Then Manny Pacquiao tried to comeback, but JMM got the better of the exchanges. He landed a good overhand right that drove Manny Pacquiao back to the ropes.

JMM just out fought Manny Pacquiao in the last two rounds, and he made Manny Pacquiao go on the backfoot for quite alot of those rounds aswell. I thought JMM clearly won the last 2 rounds tactically, and he clearly won them by out fighting Manny Pacquiao.

Those last 2 rounds wern't that close IMO, i thought JMM clearly had an edge in both of those rounds no question.

Fair play. But I guess we really have different perspectives. I just thought fans and some critics did gave those rounds to Marquez because of the perception that Pacquiao is only supposed to win a round when he completely mauls or scored a KD against Marquez. IMO he boxed beautifully in those rounds and that kinda caught the fans offguard and almost everyone bought on Marquez being the aggressor and they were left the impression that Pac faded or got tamed on the latter rounds. But I'm glad the judges agreed with me or should I say I agreed with them.

[brucelee]

I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.

Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.

114-113 for Pacquaio.

I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.

[ICB]

I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.

Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.

114-113 for Pacquaio.

I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.

Uhh did you read what i said ? i just rewatched the fight and scored it again. And do you know how hard it is to score a fight, while watching a fight on a stream and trying to type on here all at the sametime ? atleast i bothered to do it otherwise you would of had no RBR.

And did i not correct my scoring when i rewatched it ? and say i was wrong ? so why are you bringing up this for ? do you want me to bring up all the old times when you were wrong ?

[JazMerkin]

Can't remember which rounds exactly, but watched both their fights in the last few days & had

1st fight: 113-112 Pacquiao

2nd fight: 114-113 Marquez

[brucelee]

I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.

Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.

114-113 for Pacquaio.

I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.

Uhh did you read what i said ? i just rewatched the fight and scored it again. And do you know how hard it is to score a fight, while watching a fight on a stream and trying to type on here all at the sametime ? atleast i bothered to do it otherwise you would of had no RBR.

And did i not correct my scoring when i rewatched it ? and say i was wrong ? so why are you bringing up this for ? do you want me to bring up all the old times when you were wrong ?

If you can still remember ICB, we almost have the same scorecard when you watched it again except for the 11th round where you give it to Marquez. I brought up the issue because you were saying that you're so sure that Marquez won it when you yourself is not so sure about who won that fight (based on your other posts).

I say, people should stop claiming that Marquez convincingly won the second fight coz nobody here is so sure about it. The judges scored it for PAcquaio and let's accept that.... Anyway, as you all are saying it was very difficult to score the fight.

I give the fight to Pacquaio for giving the harder shots. The judges must have seen it that way.

[ICB]

I scored it similarly with prodigy. ICB was clearly not scoring it properly during the fight as he was watching it via streaming. He even called it as robbery when PAcquaio was announced as the winner.

Without being biased, it was really difficult to score the fight but I had to give it to Pacquaio for landing the bigger shots.

114-113 for Pacquaio.

I posted my round by round scoring somewhere (i've watched it many times with my dvd copy and suffice it to say that Pacquaio won that fight, IMO). I don't like to dig prior posts.hehehe.

Uhh did you read what i said ? i just rewatched the fight and scored it again. And do you know how hard it is to score a fight, while watching a fight on a stream and trying to type on here all at the sametime ? atleast i bothered to do it otherwise you would of had no RBR.

And did i not correct my scoring when i rewatched it ? and say i was wrong ? so why are you bringing up this for ? do you want me to bring up all the old times when you were wrong ?

If you can still remember ICB, we almost have the same scorecard when you watched it again except for the 11th round where you give it to Marquez. I brought up the issue because you were saying that you're so sure that Marquez won it when you yourself is not so sure about who won that fight (based on your other posts).

I say, people should stop claiming that Marquez convincingly won the second fight coz nobody here is so sure about it. The judges scored it for PAcquaio and let's accept that.... Anyway, as you all are saying it was very difficult to score the fight.

I give the fight to Pacquaio for giving the harder shots. The judges must have seen it that way.

When did i say i was so sure JMM won ? all i said i've watched it multiple times and i've had the same scorecard. I just liked JMM in both fights. I never said he won convincingly so i don't really see your point.

Since rewatching the fight when have i ever said it was a robbery ? or Manny Pacquiao didn't deserve to win ? i've said they were very close fights. But i personally had JMM winning both so whats the problem ?

[HattonTheHammer]

genuine concensous over both fights is 50/50 for either fighter.


Kind of a shame the chance of a dream 3rd fight seem to be getting narrower and narrower with every passing day