I just watched Pacquiao-Marquez 2

[Taeth]

By the way i found my scorecard for the first fight.

1 Pacquiao 10-6
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-9
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Pacquiao 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Marquez 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

114-113 Marquez

Pacquiao won more late rounds than that.

In the rematch.
Pacquiao clearly won a close fight, the knockdown seals it, IF that hadn't happened I could see it going either way, but it did, and made the close fight go clearly in PAcquiao's favor.

[ICB]

By the way i found my scorecard for the first fight.

1 Pacquiao 10-6
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-9
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Pacquiao 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Marquez 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

114-113 Marquez

Pacquiao won more late rounds than that.

In the rematch.
Pacquiao clearly won a close fight, the knockdown seals it, IF that hadn't happened I could see it going either way, but it did, and made the close fight go clearly in PAcquiao's favor.

Taeth thats your opinion doesn't mean its right, i've gave valid reasons why i thought JMM won the 2nd fight. I don't really want to watch the first fight again.

Just to give all my reasons, why i thought he won. But from my memory Manny Pacquiao. Clearly wasn't the fighter he was in the 2nd fight. He was much easier to hit, and one dimensional with his punches.

And i thought until the later rounds where he did make it more competitive. He got outboxed clearly for about 6 rounds, they were both very close fights that could of gone either way.

Im a bit suprised you clearly think Manny Pacquiao won the 2nd fight, considering most experts and fans have it no wider than 2 points either way. All in all i thought JMM won both fights end of really, your not going to change my opinion because i've watched the fights loads of times and i have the same score each time.

[KananKrus]

If you let the commentators sway your view for the 11th and the 12th, then you definitely will give both rounds to JMM. Actually if you do so, then even just after the 2nd round, right before the Marquez kissing the canvas, it was predicted, by one of the color commentators that Pacquiao will be knocked out. A biased statement as commentators is wont to do. Pacquiao would have already lost!

[KananKrus]

Now, if you watch it without audio, you will have it as prodigy’s… eleventh round for Pacquiao, and twelfth a draw.

[KananKrus]

Marquez being” more aggressive” need be qualified. ..If it meant like not backpedalling is “being more aggressive” then it is then. They were forced to as Marquez need to get off his counter ways, as I am sure, their camp felt a deficit after the ninth and tenth.

However, the same Pacquiao is what you will see, did not change, still poking and punching.
If Pacquiao refusing to foolishly lunge and get caught is perceived as cautious, then let it be. It was in the judges eyes, enough to win, as what all they saw from Marquez was make it difficult for Pacquiao to knock him out.

[KananKrus]

I too will score round 1 for Pac. After reviewing it, and as was egged on by C-Lo’s post.
Round 1:
A lot of misses up until …
2:25, when a left right from Pacquiao landed but unseen through the eyes of Moe, Larry and Curly.
The initial left was blocked, but the right definitely landed on the jaw.
2:12 a lead left, landed from Pac. There is nothing much scoring for Marquez, up to this point.
1:11 they saw a phantom counter from JMM, and failed to see that prior to that…
1:12 a solid body punch landed with power, a right in the stomach, from Pac.
1:07, Marquez landed his only telling blow. Which to the “Three Scholars” was enough to win the round for Marquez.
0:56 a clash of heads.
0:32 A miss by Pac and a miss by JMM, opened up for a flurry; right, right, left hook, and right hook from Pacquiao mostly scoring but minimal damaging blows. Which was answered by…
0:30/0:29 Two JMM low blows. Right low blow connected, right hook miss, low uppercut low blow miss.
They exchanged some more misses and grazes, like the rest of round 1.

[KananKrus]

1:07, Marquez landed his only telling blow. Which to the “Three Scholars” was enough to win the round for Marquez. It was a left right. The left was caught a bit on the gloves, but my, the right straight was beautifully placed, right smack on PacMan's face.

The fact that Pacquiao's improper balance and odd body language after receiving blows, made the smackers even more prominent.

So to Moe, Larry and Curly... score the round for Marquez. I guess their stock did not rise after that night.

[Julius Rain]

jmm looked more aggressive then usually especially in the 12 cause he knew he needed the round more then pac. Pac was just boxing him, some people at first thought jmm won cause pac didnt knock him out. those are casual fan way of scoring. Pacs defense was unnotice cause he usually stays on the offense. He block a lot of jmm punches and countered with better shots then jmm did him. Look at the 3rd round kd and the 10th round when jmm almost falls out of the ring. For some reason pac box during his last few fights at 130 the second mab fight and the second jmm fight. I think it was true he had trouble making 130 so he kept a slower pace and box instead of his usually tazmanian onslaught. Botton line it was a close match, and pacs boxing skill and defense is undderated.

[ICB]

If you let the commentators sway your view for the 11th and the 12th, then you definitely will give both rounds to JMM. Actually if you do so, then even just after the 2nd round, right before the Marquez kissing the canvas, it was predicted, by one of the color commentators that Pacquiao will be knocked out. A biased statement as commentators is wont to do. Pacquiao would have already lost!

I've watched the fight with and without commentary, and what has the commentary got to do with this anyway ? i remember them clearly being on Manny Pacquiao's side not JMM's side.

Harold Ledderman had Manny Pacquiao winning, Emanuel Steward kept going on about how great Manny Pacquiao's upper body movement was. And his timing so i don't really see your point.

And even if they were on JMM's side which they wern't. I wouldn't listen anyway i've got my own views.

[KananKrus]

If you let the commentators sway your view for the 11th and the 12th, then you definitely will give both rounds to JMM. Actually if you do so, then even just after the 2nd round, right before the Marquez kissing the canvas, it was predicted, by one of the color commentators that Pacquiao will be knocked out. A biased statement as commentators is wont to do. Pacquiao would have already lost!

I've watched the fight with and without commentary, and what has the commentary got to do with this anyway ? i remember them clearly being on Manny Pacquiao's side not JMM's side.

Harold Ledderman had Manny Pacquiao winning, Emanuel Steward kept going on about how great Manny Pacquiao's upper body movement was. And his timing so i don't really see your point.

And even if they were on JMM's side which they wern't. I wouldn't listen anyway i've got my own views.

I viewed this intially PPV HBO version, but was unable to tape it. What I have is a DVD is from Solar Sports, most probably a feed from Top Rank. The color commentaries I am referring to are those from Allen Masengale, Wally Matthews, and Rich Marotta (guessed the spelling of their names)

HBO commentaries might have been impartial unlike the ones I've mentioned. So that volume lowering doesn't apply to you nor, other HBO influenced watchers. Wouldn't it be if they were from Top Rank, that they should have been doing the opposite?