Kelly Pavlik v. Carl Froch

[Taeth]

I don't think Froch is the best technically, then again nor do I think Pavlik is a great technical fighter either. Froch has NEVER been down as an amateur or pro but in Pavlik he will be meeting a guy who hits harder than any fighter he has faced before. I go Froch simply because I think his chin is more reliable plus I think the Hopkins defeat has really hit Pavlik hard. It's not that Hopkins battered Pavlik, it's more that he out-fought, out-classed him for 12 rounds solid, which in a way is WORSE than getting knocked out. You can put KO defeat down to the fact that you just got caught cold, or with a lucky punch but a one-sided points defeat is much harder to write off.

Froch is tough and game and shows no expression on his face. You never know if he's hurt and keeps on coming. Taylor arguably should have taken out by Pavlik in the 2nd round of their 1st fight and Froch hits harder than Taylor. All in all it's a fight that could well happen, but Pavlik isn’t a super middleweight. He has shown in the Taylor rematch and the Hopkins fight that he is the type of fighter than can only really be effective at one weight. But the fight (if it happened) would most likely be made at S.Middleweight. Hence because of this I go BIG on Froch to stop or knock him out within 6 rounds.

I think Pavlik wins,I can't really see how you can compare Taylor's power to Froch's, Froch hasn't really foughten anybody, and Pascal has been hurt pretty easily, and Froch couldn'd take him out. I see Pavlik being the bigger, stronger man with better skills, power, and more important FRoch is way too wide open for Pavlik's power.

[Bomp]

Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.

[skel1983]

Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

[denilson200]

Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.

[skel1983]

Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.

Throw Kessler in there aswell, Froch is to slow and open for a boxer or someone who is to fast with good footwork, Froch Andrade is the fight we should be asking for that would be a belter and one which i think is 50/50.

Froch is not world class and is a prick to go with it, and apparently Calzaghe has to get in line to fight him LMAO!!!!

[HattonTheHammer]

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.

Throw Kessler in there aswell, Froch is to slow and open for a boxer or someone who is to fast with good footwork, Froch Andrade is the fight we should be asking for that would be a belter and one which i think is 50/50.

Froch is not world class and is a prick to go with it, and apparently Calzaghe has to get in line to fight him LMAO!!!!

recorded bunces hour and havent seen it yet but if true im quite sure Froch is smart enough to have made these comments as tongue in cheek

From when he`s commentated for ITV before he comes across as an extremely knowlegable boxing man who knows the game like the back of his hand and what to expect.

Certainly deserves a lot of credit for his performance saturday which although technically lacking at times showed he really does have the heart to make it big time!!

[CFH]

Pavlik would hammer Froch.

What's with all this Froch hype? He went life and death with Jean Pascal for fucks sake and now he's world class all of a sudden. The guy's got potential, but he's proven very little so far. Pavlik is a known commodity, I'd pick him all day.

[Pugilistic]

You gotta be crazy if you think Taylor and Calzaghe would beat Froch easy, there's no way, just no way.

Throw Kessler in there aswell, Froch is to slow and open for a boxer or someone who is to fast with good footwork, Froch Andrade is the fight we should be asking for that would be a belter and one which i think is 50/50.

Froch is not world class and is a prick to go with it, and apparently Calzaghe has to get in line to fight him LMAO!!!!

recorded bunces hour and havent seen it yet but if true im quite sure Froch is smart enough to have made these comments as tongue in cheek

From when he`s commentated for ITV before he comes across as an extremely knowlegable boxing man who knows the game like the back of his hand and what to expect.

Certainly deserves a lot of credit for his performance saturday which although technically lacking at times showed he really does have the heart to make it big time!!

Heart isn't enough to make you good.

Look at Gatti, he had all the heart in the world but against top boxers he was a human punching bag.

[Bomp]

Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

The sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.

He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think Taylor beats Froch. Kessler and Pavlik definitely would.I didn't think too much of Pascal but Froch was entertaining and he won. Now that he's in world class I think an entertaining Froch defeat is just around the corner.

[Deanrw]

I'm not willing to write Froch off so quickly. Yes his defense is bad, but he seems tough and has good stamina. He may not be a favorite against Kessler, Taylor or Pavlik, but I think he has a shot against them.

I was not disappointed from his fight against Pascal. I was more surprised that Pascal seemed to be better than I thought and fought the fight of his life. Both of them earned my respect in that fight even though it was sloppy at times.

I don't think Froch hits as hard as advertised, but he is far from being a pushover.

[Fenster]

Hard to see what's next for Froch, Taylor seems out of the question after reading the BBC, Hennessey reckons Carl should get a 70/30 split in his favour as champ, Taylor won't take that.

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

The sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.

He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.

I thought Calzaghe's comments toward Froch were petty and spiteful.

Of course beating Froch will do NOTHING for his standing in world boxing. But don't start with the shit-talk "i'd ko him in 3-4 rounds" and then make it even WORSE by copying Ricky Hatton's excuses "why should i give him a payday"

Maybe he was having a bad day.. although he's got a decent record of putting his foot in his mouth too.

[Kirkland Laing]

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

The sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.

He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.

I thought Calzaghe's comments toward Froch were petty and spiteful.

Of course beating Froch will do NOTHING for his standing in world boxing. But don't start with the shit-talk "i'd ko him in 3-4 rounds" and then make it even WORSE by copying Ricky Hatton's excuses "why should i give him a payday"

Maybe he was having a bad day.. although he's got a decent record of putting his foot in his mouth too.

But he has had to put up with years of similar stuff from Froch, like the five million quid "offer" which was obvious bollocks. Froch has used Calzaghe pretty effectively over the past few years to get himself publicity, you can understand Calzaghe being pissed off with the whole thing.

[Bomp]

Froch and Hennessey are jokes lets be honest, did you see Froch on Bunces hour today, what a nob jockey, saying maybe he doesnt want Calzaghe as if Joe would be lucky to get a shot at Froch hahaha, dillousional people Froch imo was exposed as a top level fighter on saturday and now he wants 70/30 split with Taylor??

Taylor is the cash cow who brings HBO to the table, Taylor would school froch imo, Calzaghe would be a one sided beating also.

The sad thing is Bunce and Mcuigan are humouring him and encouraging him. Before saturday the question was whether or not he was good enough to beat a fellow C-level fighter. He was, but only just. Now of course, even if you've yet to fight at world level, it's possible to have an incling what you would do - and judging by Froch's awful defence and severly over rated power the answer is 'not that much'.

He is a good fighter, but not elite. Joe, Mikkel and jermain you'd expect would school Andrade, yet Froch would have to go life and death since he can't avoid a punch to save his life. No wonder Joe gets annoyed when morons like Bunce make these claims that he should fight him. He has nothing left to prove, except maybe against Hopins, but certainly not against Froch.

I thought Calzaghe's comments toward Froch were petty and spiteful.

Of course beating Froch will do NOTHING for his standing in world boxing. But don't start with the shit-talk "i'd ko him in 3-4 rounds" and then make it even WORSE by copying Ricky Hatton's excuses "why should i give him a payday"

Maybe he was having a bad day.. although he's got a decent record of putting his foot in his mouth too.

I hate that he used that payday thing, cos it's the stupidest excuse Hatton ever made. Joe didn't need to say that.

Like the others said, I think he's just genuinely annoyed at all the Froch questions. Joe is legitimat top 2 p4p fighter of the world, and he gets aked about fucking Froch in every single interview, when perhaps he'd prefer to just talk about more relevant stuff like his retirement.

The Pascal victory was a less convincing performance against a lower quality fighter than when Joe beat Eubank, yet people weren't harrassing Roy Jones none stop for the next week about fighting joe back then, and rightly so cos they were no where near the same stages in their respective careers at that time.