Quote Originally Posted by Starr
Toney and Freddie knew Rahman wouldn't be a push over but Freddie still let Toney come into the fight the heaviest of his career. I'm really getting worried that Freddie Roach isn't pushing his fighters enough and is letting them get away with more. doing the "they know what they want" philosophy.

I think roach has a different level of closeness with manny. He's almost like a father to the pacman. When pac was still in the philippines, roach came over to bring him to LA and pac went with him. Manny has an attachment with roach that is not the same toney has.