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I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?Originally Posted by ono
Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv.
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
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No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv.
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
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That's a straight contradiction. You agree that Leshner should of had more fights but than compare him to Vitali. Vitali retired as champion. In the sport of Boxing. He was accomplished in it. Leshner until he beat Couture was just an intrigue fighter.No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv.
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
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That's a straight contradiction. You agree that Leshner should of had more fights but than compare him to Vitali. Vitali retired as champion. In the sport of Boxing. He was accomplished in it. Leshner until he beat Couture was just an intrigue fighter.No comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
No contradiction. I agree with your opinion on fights. I disagree with your comparison.
I said closer to Vitali's situation. Not meaning they were the same.
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Leon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as LesnarNo comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.I saw Jose Canseco boxing not to long ago. He still some what of a name. Let him get a shot at Klitschko. Getting a title shot on name alone worked for Leshner. Why not for him?Yeah as opposed to a 32-0 boxer who has beaten 31 bums being ppv.
Ok he shouldn't have got a shot after 3 fights but there are more losses because there are more competitive matches and less ducking.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
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1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sportLeon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as LesnarNo comparison. If Canseco had a long and successful amateur boxing career, then took 3 pro fights against high level competition and won 2 and lost one that he was winning you might have a comparison.
I agree that Lesner should have had a few more fights before the title but it's closer to Vitali coming out of a long retirement and is first in line for the title than comparing a baseball player fighting for a boxing title.
The point of the fight from UFC's perspective is the continuation of a "linear" legit champ. They already lost Couture a couple of times. Might as well throw the next big thing in so if he wins it's still legit and everybody won't say "he never REALLY won the title". For sure Couture can't be counted on for 5 more fights or a couple of years for Lesner to get his record up there....
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
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people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sportLeon Spinks got a crack at Muhammad Ali for the world heavyweight title in like what, his 6th pro fight?!? and won, so same shit as Lesnar
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
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That was as an amateur. How can you even mention that after using the Leon Spinks-Muhammad Ali excuse?people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off1. Leon Spinks was a Gold Medal winner in the sport of Boxing. Not a different sport
2. Ali was highly criticize for taking the fight. Was Couture? No he was not.
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basically same thing you said bout the Leon Spinks being an Olympic Gold Medalist, cause from what i remember you can't go to the Olympic's as a pro boxerThat was as an amateur. How can you even mention that after using the Leon Spinks-Muhammad Ali excuse?people keep bringing up the crap that Lesnar was a pro-wrestler but completely disregard the fact that he was a NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, meaning real wrestling, which is one of the aspects of MMA, so not far off
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