the people who stay in on friday nights...

[CGM]

ooh, some mighty self righteous posting here from the squeaky clean crowd.

It's not self righteous at all. Amat and Preme wanted to gang up on Lefty for not being a drinker. All we did was defend his right not to be one.

I also think it's pretty targeted - lets pick on the 17 year old and tell him his life is boring but don't touch the multitude of other people who have posted on here saying they prefer a quiet night etc. Target the young one because everyone else is a bit older and more established in their choices.

I didn't think they were really picking on him, just busting his balls a bit. There's a big difference.

As for the self righteous part, I guess I saw a little more in it than you did. Maybe too much? Sure defend your rights to live your life as you see fit. No objection from me. But being a teatotaler doesn't automatically make you a success nor does being a drinker or a toker (within reason) make you a failure. Nor does it make you a better person than the other guy. That's where I was coming from.

[Sharla]

ooh, some mighty self righteous posting here from the squeaky clean crowd.

It's not self righteous at all. Amat and Preme wanted to gang up on Lefty for not being a drinker. All we did was defend his right not to be one.

I also think it's pretty targeted - lets pick on the 17 year old and tell him his life is boring but don't touch the multitude of other people who have posted on here saying they prefer a quiet night etc. Target the young one because everyone else is a bit older and more established in their choices.

I didn't think they were really picking on him, just busting his balls a bit. There's a big difference.

As for the self righteous part, I guess I saw a little more in it than you did. Maybe too much? Sure defend your rights to live your life as you see fit. No objection from me. But being a teatotaler doesn't automatically make you a success any more than being a drinker or a toker (within reason) makes you a failure. Nor does it make you a better person than the other guy. That's where I was coming from.

Yeah I agree. I also think success is difficult to measure really. I think it depends a lot on what you wanna be rather than what other people rate.

Especially now having almost finished my PhD I'm realizing most of the jobs i think i'd be happy doing into never required a PhD.

Also a lot of people who've spent fewer years studying than me will have more secure jobs than i could ever hope for.

A friend of mine who is possibly the smartest person I know finished her PhD and has since decided after one postdoctoral job she's happiest just being a housewife looking after her young son.

Sometimes the stereotypical ideas of what is right and successful and make you happy couldn't be more full of BS.

I do however think the same logic applies to what makes for personally satisfying ways to spend your spare time too.

I'm still working it out as I go and i won't pretend to have all the answers but i do think the answers are always going to be slightly different for every individual.

[amat]

Sharla jeez there is no way I can do this right now.

I'm just kidding with Lefty I think he knows that and I'm definitely not one to encourage everyone to drink or even brag about it. It might seem that way sometimes but I assure you it wouldn't be fair to judge me off what I post on this board. I try to post just obnoxiously as possible but not really, um I don't know how to describe it. Now I'm talking about real life damn it.

Was just kidding with Lefty and everyone most of my posts carry considerable overtones whether sarcasm or whatever it is. Besides any chance I can get to make fun of Lefty and Ice in one pop is an opportunity I'm going to take no matter what scorn I draw from you.

[Sharla]

ok Amat go ahead - I'm finished making my point, i only have so much wrath to spread around anyway

[Spicoli]

Puff...

[amat]

Also more to CGM's post, I totally agree. There are plenty of ways to be successful while balancing your vices. The President now is a cigarette smoker, a modern day cigarette smoking president it's surprising.

That's beside the point. But I can live a happy life while being responsible and have set priorities even when I do smoke or drink. I'm obviously not going to smoke at times where being high would be detrimental to my success in life.

On the other hand, there are soooo many people I know who would be served better by weed then other stuff like anxiety pills antidepressants, I hate those things and for me those would be so much worse for me then other things.

Some people are sober, sucessful and very just miserable in themselves just like some people are high all the time and just slackers. I have both spectrums in my own family so there is a way to reach a balance without being insecure which I'm definitely not.

[CGM]

Also more to CGM's post, I totally agree. There are plenty of ways to be successful while balancing your vices. The President now is a cigarette smoker, a modern day cigarette smoking president it's surprising.

That's beside the point. But I can live a happy life while being responsible and have set priorities even when I do smoke or drink. I'm obviously not going to smoke at times where being high would be detrimental to my success in life.

On the other hand, there are soooo many people I know who would be served better by weed then other stuff like anxiety pills antidepressants, I hate those things and for me those would be so much worse for me then other things.

Some people are sober, sucessful and very just miserable in themselves just like some people are high all the time and just slackers. I have both spectrums in my own family so there is a way to reach a balance without being insecure which I'm definitely not.

I dunno about people with anxiety issues being better served by weed. You are treading on dangerous ground amat. While I do have some concerns about pills that doctors prescribe that affect your brain chemistry, I also know that many people benefit from them. I will also say that people who have any kind of issue with brain chemistry, such as clinical depression or bipolar or schizophrenia, should think twice, or three or four times, before they smoke weed. If the head issues a person has are medical in nature, weed can easily make things worse. It depends on what ails you. Be careful

[RP33]

On the other hand, there are soooo many people I know who would be served better by weed then other stuff like anxiety pills antidepressants, I hate those things and for me those would be so much worse for me then other things.

i disagree only from my own experiences.. If i smoke weed i freak out, EVERY time.. it lasts almost 24 hours and i've hallucinated once or twice.. so i will never touch it again.. i don't even like being in the same car as people smoking, or same room just because i'm so scared of feeling that way again.. It makes my anxiety 32093209 times worse..

on the other hand, taking sedatives like klonopin, etc make me real calm but there is sort of a hangover i experience that is really weird to explain but i hate that also.. So i basically just try to cope with things.. to be honest alcohol calms my anxiety even though it is a depressant.. obviously the next day i'm a bit more depressed than usual but i cope.. I try to stay off any pills, and if anything i'll take some melatonin before i'm ready to go to bed to help me fall asleep.

[CGM]

On the other hand, there are soooo many people I know who would be served better by weed then other stuff like anxiety pills antidepressants, I hate those things and for me those would be so much worse for me then other things.

i disagree only from my own experiences.. If i smoke weed i freak out, EVERY time.. it lasts almost 24 hours and i've hallucinated once or twice.. so i will never touch it again.. i don't even like being in the same car as people smoking, or same room just because i'm so scared of feeling that way again.. It makes my anxiety 32093209 times worse..

on the other hand, taking sedatives like klonopin, etc make me real calm but there is sort of a hangover i experience that is really weird to explain but i hate that also.. So i basically just try to cope with things.. to be honest alcohol calms my anxiety even though it is a depressant.. obviously the next day i'm a bit more depressed than usual but i cope.. I try to stay off any pills, and if anything i'll take some melatonin before i'm ready to go to bed to help me fall asleep.

I'm with you on this one. When it comes to nerves, alcohol works far better than weed, for me anyways. I also have my doubts about pills, only because you can become dependant, also if you go off the pills you can be much worse than you ever were before the pills. Coping is better, if you can. But that's just me. A lot of people swear by their pills. Whatever works for you I guess.

[amat]

On the other hand, there are soooo many people I know who would be served better by weed then other stuff like anxiety pills antidepressants, I hate those things and for me those would be so much worse for me then other things.

i disagree only from my own experiences.. If i smoke weed i freak out, EVERY time.. it lasts almost 24 hours and i've hallucinated once or twice.. so i will never touch it again.. i don't even like being in the same car as people smoking, or same room just because i'm so scared of feeling that way again.. It makes my anxiety 32093209 times worse..

on the other hand, taking sedatives like klonopin, etc make me real calm but there is sort of a hangover i experience that is really weird to explain but i hate that also.. So i basically just try to cope with things.. to be honest alcohol calms my anxiety even though it is a depressant.. obviously the next day i'm a bit more depressed than usual but i cope.. I try to stay off any pills, and if anything i'll take some melatonin before i'm ready to go to bed to help me fall asleep.

I'm with you on this one. When it comes to nerves, alcohol works far better than weed, for me anyways. I also have my doubts about pills, only because you can become dependant, also if you go off the pills you can be much worse than you ever were before the pills. Coping is better, if you can. But that's just me. A lot of people swear by their pills. Whatever works for you I guess.

Maybe I was wrong on the weed, I never get nervous when I'm high just occasionally paranoid about getting caught. But seriously some people on pills turn into completely different people it's creepy. I don't have any general anxiety, depression or nervous issues either in fact sometimes I think it's just the opposite. If that's possible.