Pacquiao's place in History...

[DaxxKahn]

He is already one of the greatest little men to ever grace the game....He already ranks up there with guys Like Salvadore Sanchez, Ruben Olivares, Fighting Harada and Khaosai Galaxy...He is a top 10 of our era....He has plenty of time left to be a top 20 ATG

[Kev]

If he was to beat Hatton and Mayweather he would have to be in the top 5 of all time.

Top 20 is ridiculous, that would put him on the level of someone like Hagler.

Beating Hatton and Floyd would put him higher than Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leanoard imo.

For a man to win world titles from fly weight to welterweight and to beat the top men in each division in the modern era would be just incredible.

It's a huge ask though, him and Ricky will be a close fight, maybe a pick'em but fighting Floyd would be a big ask.

IF he pulled it off I'd have no hesitation at all in calling him the greatest fighter of the last 20 years and sticking him in the top 5 ever.

[iwng100]

If he was to beat Hatton and Mayweather he would have to be in the top 5 of all time.

Top 20 is ridiculous, that would put him on the level of someone like Hagler.

Beating Hatton and Floyd would put him higher than Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leanoard imo.

For a man to win world titles from fly weight to welterweight and to beat the top men in each division in the modern era would be just incredible.

It's a huge ask though, him and Ricky will be a close fight, maybe a pick'em but fighting Floyd would be a big ask.

IF he pulled it off I'd have no hesitation at all in calling him the greatest fighter of the last 20 years and sticking him in the top 5 ever.

Whole agree if he’ll beat Hatton and mainly Mayweather.His accomplishment is already tremendous but to step up 3 weight classes in 1 or 2 years and beat the boxer of the decade in the most opinions, that would be a record almost unbeatable.

[Kev]

If he was to beat Hatton and Mayweather he would have to be in the top 5 of all time.

Top 20 is ridiculous, that would put him on the level of someone like Hagler.

Beating Hatton and Floyd would put him higher than Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leanoard imo.

For a man to win world titles from fly weight to welterweight and to beat the top men in each division in the modern era would be just incredible.

It's a huge ask though, him and Ricky will be a close fight, maybe a pick'em but fighting Floyd would be a big ask.

IF he pulled it off I'd have no hesitation at all in calling him the greatest fighter of the last 20 years and sticking him in the top 5 ever.

Whole agree if he’ll beat Hatton and mainly Mayweather.His accomplishment is already tremendous but to step up 3 weight classes in 1 or 2 years and beat the boxer of the decade in the most opinions, that would be a record almost unbeatable.

Exactly, if he beat Floyd Mayweather at 147 that in my mind would be possibly the greatest achievement in boxing history. Sounds crazy but who else in history has moved up that many divisions and beaten THE man and THE p4p best fighter in the world in THEIR weight class?

Nobody ever has. Sugar Ray Robinson failed just moving up to light heavyweight. Hopkins got massive plaudits for beating moving from middle to light heavy for beating Tarver and Tarver is nowhere near the calibre fighter Floyd Mayweather is. Roy Jones got immortalised for winning a heavyweight title, but he fought the weakest belt holder available and then moved straight back down, he was never the heavyweight champ, not even close, Lennox Lewis would have killed him.

So if Manny moved up and fought and defeated Floyd Mayweather, the Ring champ, undefeated 5 weight world champ, hands down the best fighter of the last decade, hands down p4p number 1 in the world until his retirement, and at only 30 years or so still in his absolute prime, if Manny fought and beat that guy, who else in boxing history has done that?

That's why I say IF, because it's a HUGE ask.

But beating Eric Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya AND Floyd Mayweather, every single one a shoe in for the Hall of Fame, if that didn't put Manny in the top 3-5 of all time I don't know what would.

He would surely leapfrog the likes of Duran, Leonard, Armstrong etc with that performance.

Arguably it could even be a greatest of all time challenging record as Sugar Ray Robinson himself didn't beat so many Hall of Fame fighters across so many weight classes as that.

But lets not get carried away, his acomplishments so far are amazing, but he hasn't even fought Hatton and Floyd, much less beaten them yet, but if he did it would be boxing immortality and a legendary status for the Pacman.

[amat]

Someone like Hagler? Who ruled the middleweight division, genuinely ruled it, for 11 years? No way Pacquiao is on Hagler's level as of right now imo simply because of that longevity factor. That's not to undermind what Pacquiao has done but damn that's a rough one.

It depends when it happened, if he cleaned out the welterweight division that would be very impressive. If he did beat Mayweather that would be one of the greater achievements in boxing history. Definitely modern boxing history.

[Kev]

Someone like Hagler? Who ruled the middleweight division, genuinely ruled it, for 11 years? No way Pacquiao is on Hagler's level as of right now imo simply because of that longevity factor. That's not to undermind what Pacquiao has done but damn that's a rough one.

It depends when it happened, if he cleaned out the welterweight division that would be very impressive. If he did beat Mayweather that would be one of the greater achievements in boxing history. Definitely modern boxing history.

Imo Pacquaio already rates as high as Hagler. Ruling one division simply is not as impressive as winning titles across 5 imo.

Fair enough if Pacquiao cherry picked his opponents and just went for belt holders, but that's not the case. David Diaz aside he's always sought out the best in each weight class and defeated them.

Morales 2-1 including 2 ko's
Barrera 2-0 including 1 ko
Marquez 1-0-1
De La Hoya KO

That's 6 wins against hall of fame opposition

Hagler beat some great names but but only Duran and Hearns are all time greats.

In my opinion Hagler benefitted a great deal from the illustrious pedigree of his smaller rivals but in terms of actual fight acomplishments he's acheived less than both Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzagh. Less title defenses, only won titles in one weight class, reigned for less time. Beat the same number of Hall of Fame opponents.

Manny has dominated across so many weight classes now and has beaten his HOF opponents every bit as decisively as Hagler (Marquez excluded)

You could easily make a case for Manny being top 20 now imo following his performance against Oscar, I mean it was simply accepted fact that this was just a money fight and an easy win for the Goldenboy, Pacquiao was just not expected to win. People even complained saying it was a mismatch and shouldn't be licensed. He not only won, but won so brutally that now you have people as knowledgable as Taeth just saying matter of factly that Paqiuaio would rearrange Cotto's face and nobody disagrees with him!

Who would have though such a statement could possibly have been made even a few weeks ago?

Manny's performance against Oscar was unbelievable, and when you add to that the demolition job he did on David Diaz he has proven he can now rule across 3 maybe even 4 weight classes.

If he fights and beats Hatton he's imo eclipsed what Henry Armstrong did as it's harder win titles against the best opposition in 3 weight classes at the same time in the modern era. It's just not done any more.

A win over Hatton and Manny is knocking on the door as top 10 best ever.

He may not be as techinically gifted as the likes of Roy Jones and B Hop etc but if he beats Hatton imo he will have achieved even more.

When you look at the records of all the current greats, Floyd, Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe etc, what stands out most is the names they avoided.

Not so with Manny, he's fought everybody and beaten everybody.

His list of opponents is rivalled in the modern era only by Oscar and Holyfield, but unlike those two he's won all of his big fights, mostly by KO.

He's an absolutely amazing fighter possibly best ever under 130 lbs of all time.

Jimmy Wilde and Willie Pep for example never moved through 6 weight classes and beat the best in most of them.

Can you picture Willie Pep moving up and beating Jake La Motta at welterweight?

Manny's acheived something magnificant with his win over Oscar, not just to win but to annihilate one of the best fighters of the past 15 years, 3 weight classes above his natural limit. It's simply incredible.

[Dark Lord Al]

Someone like Hagler? Who ruled the middleweight division, genuinely ruled it, for 11 years? No way Pacquiao is on Hagler's level as of right now imo simply because of that longevity factor. That's not to undermind what Pacquiao has done but damn that's a rough one.

It depends when it happened, if he cleaned out the welterweight division that would be very impressive. If he did beat Mayweather that would be one of the greater achievements in boxing history. Definitely modern boxing history.

Imo Pacquaio already rates as high as Hagler. Ruling one division simply is not as impressive as winning titles across 5 imo.

Fair enough if Pacquiao cherry picked his opponents and just went for belt holders, but that's not the case. David Diaz aside he's always sought out the best in each weight class and defeated them.

Morales 2-1 including 2 ko's
Barrera 2-0 including 1 ko
Marquez 1-0-1
De La Hoya KO

That's 6 wins against hall of fame opposition

Hagler beat some great names but but only Duran and Hearns are all time greats.

In my opinion Hagler benefitted a great deal from the illustrious pedigree of his smaller rivals but in terms of actual fight acomplishments he's acheived less than both Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzagh. Less title defenses, only won titles in one weight class, reigned for less time. Beat the same number of Hall of Fame opponents.

Manny has dominated across so many weight classes now and has beaten his HOF opponents every bit as decisively as Hagler (Marquez excluded)

You could easily make a case for Manny being top 20 now imo following his performance against Oscar, I mean it was simply accepted fact that this was just a money fight and an easy win for the Goldenboy, Pacquiao was just not expected to win. People even complained saying it was a mismatch and shouldn't be licensed. He not only won, but won so brutally that now you have people as knowledgable as Taeth just saying matter of factly that Paqiuaio would rearrange Cotto's face and nobody disagrees with him!

Who would have though such a statement could possibly have been made even a few weeks ago?

Manny's performance against Oscar was unbelievable, and when you add to that the demolition job he did on David Diaz he has proven he can now rule across 3 maybe even 4 weight classes.

If he fights and beats Hatton he's imo eclipsed what Henry Armstrong did as it's harder win titles against the best opposition in 3 weight classes at the same time in the modern era. It's just not done any more.

A win over Hatton and Manny is knocking on the door as top 10 best ever.

He may not be as techinically gifted as the likes of Roy Jones and B Hop etc but if he beats Hatton imo he will have achieved even more.

When you look at the records of all the current greats, Floyd, Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe etc, what stands out most is the names they avoided.

Not so with Manny, he's fought everybody and beaten everybody.

His list of opponents is rivalled in the modern era only by Oscar and Holyfield, but unlike those two he's won all of his big fights, mostly by KO.

He's an absolutely amazing fighter possibly best ever under 130 lbs of all time.

Jimmy Wilde and Willie Pep for example never moved through 6 weight classes and beat the best in most of them.

Can you picture Willie Pep moving up and beating Jake La Motta at welterweight?

Manny's acheived something magnificant with his win over Oscar, not just to win but to annihilate one of the best fighters of the past 15 years, 3 weight classes above his natural limit. It's simply incredible.

This analogy is fantastic , and i agree 100% , what Manny has done from flyweight onwards is astounding , he has carried both his speed and power , as he has moved up , and lets face it he has ducked nobody.
Not everyone on here likes PAC , but any real fan has to applaud him.
As far as im concerned hes a fantastic fighter to watch .P4P NUMBER 1

[Fenster]

Pac's achievements are great but to say he DOMINATED divisions is going way over the top.

Featherweight - Beat Barrera, drew with Marquez (lucky to get a draw IMO), lost to Morales. He didn't even win an alphabet at the weight ().

Superfeather - A superb run.. Beat Morales X 2, Larios, Barrera and Marquez (lucky to get the decision against Marquez IMO)

Lightweight - Beat the weakest alphabet champ in Diaz. Good win, good performance, but that's it, he was EXPECTED to win EASY.

Welterweight - Beat a clearly weight-drained, ancient Oscar. Great win nonetheless considering he was UNDERDOG and the weight jump.

So.. he has great wins, for sure, but above superfeather hasn't yet come close to facing the TOP guys.

[BIG H]

If he was to beat Hatton and Mayweather he would have to be in the top 5 of all time.

Top 20 is ridiculous, that would put him on the level of someone like Hagler.

Beating Hatton and Floyd would put him higher than Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leanoard imo.

For a man to win world titles from fly weight to welterweight and to beat the top men in each division in the modern era would be just incredible.

It's a huge ask though, him and Ricky will be a close fight, maybe a pick'em but fighting Floyd would be a big ask.

IF he pulled it off I'd have no hesitation at all in calling him the greatest fighter of the last 20 years and sticking him in the top 5 ever.

Whole agree if he’ll beat Hatton and mainly Mayweather.His accomplishment is already tremendous but to step up 3 weight classes in 1 or 2 years and beat the boxer of the decade in the most opinions, that would be a record almost unbeatable.

Exactly, if he beat Floyd Mayweather at 147 that in my mind would be possibly the greatest achievement in boxing history. Sounds crazy but who else in history has moved up that many divisions and beaten THE man and THE p4p best fighter in the world in THEIR weight class?

Nobody ever has. Sugar Ray Robinson failed just moving up to light heavyweight. Hopkins got massive plaudits for beating moving from middle to light heavy for beating Tarver and Tarver is nowhere near the calibre fighter Floyd Mayweather is. Roy Jones got immortalised for winning a heavyweight title, but he fought the weakest belt holder available and then moved straight back down, he was never the heavyweight champ, not even close, Lennox Lewis would have killed him.

So if Manny moved up and fought and defeated Floyd Mayweather, the Ring champ, undefeated 5 weight world champ, hands down the best fighter of the last decade, hands down p4p number 1 in the world until his retirement, and at only 30 years or so still in his absolute prime, if Manny fought and beat that guy, who else in boxing history has done that?

That's why I say IF, because it's a HUGE ask.

But beating Eric Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya AND Floyd Mayweather, every single one a shoe in for the Hall of Fame, if that didn't put Manny in the top 3-5 of all time I don't know what would.

He would surely leapfrog the likes of Duran, Leonard, Armstrong etc with that performance.

Arguably it could even be a greatest of all time challenging record as Sugar Ray Robinson himself didn't beat so many Hall of Fame fighters across so many weight classes as that.

But lets not get carried away, his acomplishments so far are amazing, but he hasn't even fought Hatton and Floyd, much less beaten them yet, but if he did it would be boxing immortality and a legendary status for the Pacman.

Pac could feasibly end up having the best resume of all time. Imagine a record of wins that includes Barera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hoya and Mayweather.

But, you could argue that he lost twice to JMM, lost to an already on the slide Morales and won a fix against De La Hoya

Hre come the pelters

[:::PSL:::]

I think that's what Team Pacquiao are aiming for 2009. Two major fights (against Hatton and Mayweather) and that's it. Manny said it himself that he will retire in 2010 and enter the politics full time.

[brucelee]

I think that's what Team Pacquiao are aiming for 2009. Two major fights (against Hatton and Mayweather) and that's it. Manny said it himself that he will retire in 2010 and enter the politics full time.

I may be PAcman's fan but I will not vote for him if I were his constituent.

[Dark Lord Al]

If he was to beat Hatton and Mayweather he would have to be in the top 5 of all time.

Top 20 is ridiculous, that would put him on the level of someone like Hagler.

Beating Hatton and Floyd would put him higher than Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leanoard imo.

For a man to win world titles from fly weight to welterweight and to beat the top men in each division in the modern era would be just incredible.

It's a huge ask though, him and Ricky will be a close fight, maybe a pick'em but fighting Floyd would be a big ask.

IF he pulled it off I'd have no hesitation at all in calling him the greatest fighter of the last 20 years and sticking him in the top 5 ever.

Not a million miles from the truth Bilbo.