.....it doesn't matter what people say about these two. As long as they are winning that the main thing. They aren't at all to blame for thier lack of comepetition. There are two guys sitting over there with belts and there are a ton of others talking with nothing around thier waist. The belts trump talk and desire. I'm no more a fan of thiers than any other boxer but they have managed to beat those put in front of them, there are a whole lot of others who haven't.