Why Does Hopkins Get Criticism But Hagler Does Not?

[Scrap]

Hagler never Bored me, His best days were getting there. He beat good Fighters. He would have frightened Hopkins to death, Hopkins wouldnt even stand and have it with Wright .

[BlackRazor]

Boom Boom, you make a great point & that's why I'm surprised some people didn't think Ray beat Hagler. Hagler was tough no doubt but did beating guys like Hamsho (twice), Vito, Sibson, William Lee, etc. prepare Hagler for a boxer like Ray? None of Hagler's title defenses were against a master boxer like Ray. Hearns could have boxed but chose to slug. Duran was too small. The Mugabi win was impressive but he was another slugger.

[ICB]

Boom Boom, you make a great point & that's why I'm surprised some people didn't think Ray beat Hagler. Hagler was tough no doubt but did beating guys like Hamsho (twice), Vito, Sibson, William Lee, etc. prepare Hagler for a boxer like Ray? None of Hagler's title defenses were against a master boxer like Ray. Hearns could have boxed but chose to slug. Duran was too small. The Mugabi win was impressive but he was another slugger.

Don't forget Bennie Briscoe that was another very impressive win for Marvin Hagler, Bennie Briscoe probably come the closest to stopping the great Carlos Monzon.

[kingfrnk]

Boom Boom, you make a great point & that's why I'm surprised some people didn't think Ray beat Hagler. Hagler was tough no doubt but did beating guys like Hamsho (twice), Vito, Sibson, William Lee, etc. prepare Hagler for a boxer like Ray? None of Hagler's title defenses were against a master boxer like Ray. Hearns could have boxed but chose to slug. Duran was too small. The Mugabi win was impressive but he was another slugger.

i ALWAYS thought he beat Hagler clearly at that. it should have been a UD.

[ICB]

Boom Boom, you make a great point & that's why I'm surprised some people didn't think Ray beat Hagler. Hagler was tough no doubt but did beating guys like Hamsho (twice), Vito, Sibson, William Lee, etc. prepare Hagler for a boxer like Ray? None of Hagler's title defenses were against a master boxer like Ray. Hearns could have boxed but chose to slug. Duran was too small. The Mugabi win was impressive but he was another slugger.

i ALWAYS thought he beat Hagler clearly at that. it should have been a UD.

I disagree it was a very close fight which i had a draw, SRL faded badly down the stretch. But i don't really want to bring it up, because it will open up a can of worms.

But SRL would of been stopped had it been a 15 round fight, like it was supposed to be until SRL got it changed, he also demanded the gloves. The ring size ETC.

SRL waited until Marvin Hagler had slowed then, then chose the right moment, and not only that he also got everything he wanted, which would be in favor of a master boxer like himself.

[kingfrnk]

Boom Boom, you make a great point & that's why I'm surprised some people didn't think Ray beat Hagler. Hagler was tough no doubt but did beating guys like Hamsho (twice), Vito, Sibson, William Lee, etc. prepare Hagler for a boxer like Ray? None of Hagler's title defenses were against a master boxer like Ray. Hearns could have boxed but chose to slug. Duran was too small. The Mugabi win was impressive but he was another slugger.

i ALWAYS thought he beat Hagler clearly at that. it should have been a UD.

I disagree it was a very close fight which i had a draw, SRL faded badly down the stretch. But i don't really want to bring it up, because it will open up a can of worms.

But SRL would of been stopped had it been a 15 round fight, like it was supposed to be until SRL got it changed, he also demanded the gloves. The ring size ETC.

SRL waited until Marvin Hagler had slowed then, then chose the right moment, and not only that he also got everything he wanted, which would be in favor of a master boxer like himself.

a draw?? Hagler lost the first 3 rounds. which mean he had to win 7 of the last 9 rounds. most of his shots were missed. and SRL timed him perfectly when the round was about to end. it wasnt one sided but i felt he clearly beat Hagler.

now i will watch the fight again and rescore it.

[KananKrus]

Hearns is the Motor City Cobra... now I remember, not the Detroit Cobra as I earlier stated. Sorry me badd.

[ICB]

i ALWAYS thought he beat Hagler clearly at that. it should have been a UD.

I disagree it was a very close fight which i had a draw, SRL faded badly down the stretch. But i don't really want to bring it up, because it will open up a can of worms.

But SRL would of been stopped had it been a 15 round fight, like it was supposed to be until SRL got it changed, he also demanded the gloves. The ring size ETC.

SRL waited until Marvin Hagler had slowed then, then chose the right moment, and not only that he also got everything he wanted, which would be in favor of a master boxer like himself.

a draw?? Hagler lost the first 3 rounds. which mean he had to win 7 of the last 9 rounds. most of his shots were missed. and SRL timed him perfectly when the round was about to end. it wasnt one sided but i felt he clearly beat Hagler.

now i will watch the fight again and rescore it.

Well you can't imply that me having it a draw, is some sort of shock. Considering how controversial the fight is, its the most debated decision in boxing history.

After the 4th round Marvin Hagler won a majority of the rounds, and was working for most of the rounds. SRL would try and steal rounds with flashy flurries, which wern't really effective as they were mostly slapping shots.

[kingfrnk]

I disagree it was a very close fight which i had a draw, SRL faded badly down the stretch. But i don't really want to bring it up, because it will open up a can of worms.

But SRL would of been stopped had it been a 15 round fight, like it was supposed to be until SRL got it changed, he also demanded the gloves. The ring size ETC.

SRL waited until Marvin Hagler had slowed then, then chose the right moment, and not only that he also got everything he wanted, which would be in favor of a master boxer like himself.

a draw?? Hagler lost the first 3 rounds. which mean he had to win 7 of the last 9 rounds. most of his shots were missed. and SRL timed him perfectly when the round was about to end. it wasnt one sided but i felt he clearly beat Hagler.

now i will watch the fight again and rescore it.

Well you can't imply that me having it a draw, is some sort of shock. Considering how controversial the fight is, its the most debated decision in boxing history.

After the 4th round Marvin Hagler won a majority of the rounds, and was working for most of the rounds. SRL would try and steal rounds with flashy flurries, which wern't really effective as they were mostly slapping shots.

well of course his shots arent gonna be effective on Haglers hard ass head. but they were clean landing shots the only shots that looked kinda slappy were in round 12 when he flurried out of the corner.

but like i said i will rewatch this fight for like the 15th time since its one of my favs. i will post my scorecard in a bit. but it couldnt have been draw.

[KananKrus]

We are branching out here from the main topic.

SRL's initial retirement apart from the detatched retina, is due to Hagler's seeming invincibility in those days. (What more with the injury)

I believe Sugar Ray conveniently used the injury to avoid an inevitable confrontation with Hagler at that point in time. He only came out of this semi-retirement and resumed his career, when in his mind, had resolved to come up with the winning gameplan to beat Hagler.

Which he did!( I believe he narrowly won that fight with Hagler too)
So to Sugar Ray Leonard's credit, he himself now is a walking, breathing, and living legend to the sport.