Evander KOing Tyson,video.

[El Kabong]

....impressive BUUUUUT how good was Tyson at that point in his career? Everyone THOUGHT Mike was still the best but honestly he couldn't have beaten Bowe or Lewis or maybe even Briggs or Morrison at that point in time.


That version of Evander Holyfield would STILL have trouble with Wladimir and Vitali. Their size and strength alone would give ANY fighters trouble. But had THAT Evander Holyfield fought Nicolay Valuev he would have stopped him earlier or at least won on the cards by a very large amount.

[ICB]

....impressive BUUUUUT how good was Tyson at that point in his career? Everyone THOUGHT Mike was still the best but honestly he couldn't have beaten Bowe or Lewis or maybe even Briggs or Morrison at that point in time.


That version of Evander Holyfield would STILL have trouble with Wladimir and Vitali. Their size and strength alone would give ANY fighters trouble. But had THAT Evander Holyfield fought Nicolay Valuev he would have stopped him earlier or at least won on the cards by a very large amount.

Couldn't of beat Tommy Morrison or Shannon Briggs are you kidding me ? Shannon Briggs got a gift decision against a 47 year old George Foreman. And was stopped in embarrassing fashion by Darroll Wilson in 3 rounds.

And Tommy Morrisn had such a weak chin im sure Mike Tyson would of found it, sooner or later. Lets remember Tommy Morrison was dropped like a sack 3 times against Michael Bentt, dropped 2 times against Carl Williams. Brutally stopped by Ray Mercer, and all these fighters have something in common there not exactly big punchers.

And lastly Mike Tyson was still a good fighter at this point, not as good as the 80's version obviously. But he will would of beaten most of the top Heavyweights of the 90s except Bowe, Lewis, and of course Holyfield.

[El Kabong]

Mike Tyson was NOTHING after prison! The only good fighter he was able to beat was Donovan Rudduck.

Hell Fran Botha was whipping Mike's ass until Mike tried to break his arm and then hit him with a hell of counter punch.


Post 1990 Mike Tyson was ripe for the taking, he didn't fight any truly tough fighters other than Rudduck after prison. To compare eras if you take post prison Mike Tyson and put him in the current heavyweight division, he'd be fighting for the WBA belt and nothing more. Tyson after prison was kind of like De la Hoya after the first loss to Shane Mosley...he was out for money and not really trying to prove anything

[Bomp]

Mike Tyson was NOTHING after prison! The only good fighter he was able to beat was Donovan Rudduck.

Hell Fran Botha was whipping Mike's ass until Mike tried to break his arm and then hit him with a hell of counter punch.


Post 1990 Mike Tyson was ripe for the taking, he didn't fight any truly tough fighters other than Rudduck after prison. To compare eras if you take post prison Mike Tyson and put him in the current heavyweight division, he'd be fighting for the WBA belt and nothing more. Tyson after prison was kind of like De la Hoya after the first loss to Shane Mosley...he was out for money and not really trying to prove anything

I agree that people get overboard on upsets, such as Pac and ODLH a recent exmple. Just highlighted one bit as I'm at a loss as which fighters 'pre Tyson passing prime' that fits that criteria?

He'd have struggled (lost IMO) with Bowe/Lennox/Holy at any point in his career.

He'd struggle with Vit IMO due to the size and chin, but he'd get to Wlad. If he could take Bowe's sledghammer jab he'll walk through the mostly pawing jab of big Wlad.

[OumaFan]

Personally I think Holyfield would have always beaten Mike. I know that there are people who think Mike "in his prime" was unbeatable, pfft.

Holyfield was too much, Mike had some physical advantages, power, speed although Evander was pretty fast, but Evander was more skilled, the far more consistent fighter, the smarter fighter, physically tougher and insanely tougher mentally, he would have never been afraid of Mike.

[El Kabong]

He'd struggle with Vit IMO due to the size and chin, but he'd get to Wlad. If he could take Bowe's sledghammer jab he'll walk through the mostly pawing jab of big Wlad.

Excuse me?!?!?! PAWING?!?!?!

#1 There's no proof that Tyson would have "walked through" Riddick Bowe's jab

#2 Wlad's jab is (I'll go out on a limb) the best in the history of the heavyweight division. It lands like a power punch, ask Lamon Brewster.

#3 Mike Tyson had trouble with Tucker's jab.....Wlad could "paw" him into submission.


Wlad would humiliate the post prison Tyson...no head movement, looking for one big shot....that's no different than Sam Peter.

[Spicoli]

....impressive BUUUUUT how good was Tyson at that point in his career? Everyone THOUGHT Mike was still the best but honestly he couldn't have beaten Bowe or Lewis or maybe even Briggs or Morrison at that point in time.


That version of Evander Holyfield would STILL have trouble with Wladimir and Vitali. Their size and strength alone would give ANY fighters trouble. But had THAT Evander Holyfield fought Nicolay Valuev he would have stopped him earlier or at least won on the cards by a very large amount.

The other side of that was that yeah,Mike was off from peak but people were openly fearing for Holyfields life going in,Ring predicted a 1st round KO for Tyson.One defied the odds and one was mentally & physically hammered.I think if the original fight dates would have held up and Tyson not sustain a drubbing from Douglas,then a rib injury (?),the result would have been pretty similiar.

[The Promoter]

Mike was beyond his prime but at this point in their careers Holyfield was considered shot...Holyfield was .500 for his previous 4 fights with only a tight decision win against Mercer and a less than impressive TKO of Bobby Cyz...Holyfield was supposed to be easy pickens for Tyson and obviously wasn't....

To comment on the other fighters mentioned I doubt Tyson would not have done well against Morrison or even Mercer for that matter. Styles make fights and Tyson never did well against fighters that moved him backward which Morrison, Mercer, Tua, Foreman would have done...An early version of Tyson would have been able to deal with these fighters (maybe) but the post prison version while still quick handed and powerful could not deal with other move forward styled hard punchers. If you doubt this statement as yourself why Mike never made a fight with Foreman or Morrison which would have easily been the highest grossing fights in history?

[El Kabong]

Sure Holyfield was also considered on the downside of his career, he had 3 battles with Bowe, he had lost to Michael Moorer, and he had numerous health issues, heart problem, hepititus C, etc. .....but to be real about where Mike was in the sport psychologically and emotionally he was worse off than Holyfield but it takes hindsight to see that...Tyson was a circus act at that stage of his career, Holyfield was still a viable heavyweight fighter.

I still wonder how Tyson would have done vs Moorer, Bowe, Briggs, Morrison, Tua, Mercer, and McCall...and even Rahman to an extent, I really wanted to see that fight just to see how far gone Tyson was.

[Boom Boom]

Holyfield is probaby one of the mentally toughest fighters to ever lace up. Mike would have never had a mental edge over Evander. I think with Mike would have had trouble with Evander even in his prime because he never liked getting bullied back and he would get frusterated and unravel like in all his loses.

[porkypara]

....impressive BUUUUUT how good was Tyson at that point in his career? Everyone THOUGHT Mike was still the best but honestly he couldn't have beaten Bowe or Lewis or maybe even Briggs or Morrison at that point in time.


That version of Evander Holyfield would STILL have trouble with Wladimir and Vitali. Their size and strength alone would give ANY fighters trouble. But had THAT Evander Holyfield fought Nicolay Valuev he would have stopped him earlier or at least won on the cards by a very large amount.

The other side of that was that yeah,Mike was off from peak but people were openly fearing for Holyfields life going in,Ring predicted a 1st round KO for Tyson.One defied the odds and one was mentally & physically hammered.I think if the original fight dates would have held up and Tyson not sustain a drubbing from Douglas,then a rib injury (?),the result would have been pretty similiar.

I agree.

Holyfield had Tysons number.