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Yeah on Witherspoon. Was never quite sure what happened to him. Even in defeat against Holmes he looked real good. But then he just kind of faded away slowly. Lack of ambition? Drugs?Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Marvis I didn't see a lot of coming up, I knew he existed. But seeing him against Holmes and Tyson he was completely and totally outmatched, outclassed, outgunned. Like he had no business fighting for the heavyweight title.
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Shame on me I forgot Tim Witherpsoon but he did have the belt breifly so I guess he achevied greatness at one point actually twice.
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[quote=CGM;658076]Yeah on Witherspoon. Was never quite sure what happened to him. Even in defeat against Holmes he looked real good. But then he just kind of faded away slowly. Lack of ambition? Drugs?
Marvis I didn't see a lot of coming up, I knew he existed. But seeing him against Homes and Tyson he was completely and totally outmatched, outclassed, outgunned. Like he had no business fighting for the heavyweight title.[/quote
Spoon was Kings fault,he cut the tap on fights for him because they were bitching about what a federal court would agree with,King was stealing money from him,and Spoon caught him.
Marvis was really Joe's fault,and let me caveat this by saying Joe is one of my idols,but he got it in to his head that Marvis had to be a power punching heavyweight,if he had let him be what he really was, a speedy sniping cruiserweight/light heavyweight, he might have gone down as one of the greats.
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[quote=Trainer Monkey;658078]Yeah on Witherspoon. Was never quite sure what happened to him. Even in defeat against Holmes he looked real good. But then he just kind of faded away slowly. Lack of ambition? Drugs?
Marvis I didn't see a lot of coming up, I knew he existed. But seeing him against Homes and Tyson he was completely and totally outmatched, outclassed, outgunned. Like he had no business fighting for the heavyweight title.[/quote
Spoon was Kings fault,he cut the tap on fights for him because they were bitching about what a federal court would agree with,King was stealing money from him,and Spoon caught him.
Marvis was really Joe's fault,and let me caveat this by saying Joe is one of my idols,but he got it in to his head that Marvis had to be a power punching heavyweight,if he had let him be what he really was, a speedy sniping cruiserweight/light heavyweight, he might have gone down as one of the greats.
I never knew this until Tim Witherpsoon told me but Marvis and him were in the open class golden gloves together and Marvis won and Tim was knocked down in his first fight and lost on points. Also in that division was my old trainer Kerry Judge who won the novice class golden gloves when those two entered. Kerry wasn't known as well as his brother Jerry Judge who was one of the four fighter's who fought George Foreman one night in Toronto.
NO real relevance to what you posted just thought it was cool.
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[quote=The Fightfan;658080]Just to spin this completely off course,you training at Spoons gym?
I never knew this until Tim Witherpsoon told me but Marvis and him were in the open class golden gloves together and Marvis won and Tim was knocked down in his first fight and lost on points. Also in that division was my old trainer Kerry Judge who won the novice class golden gloves when those two entered. Kerry wasn't known as well as his brother Jerry Judge who was one of the four fighter's who fought George Foreman one night in Toronto.
NO real relevance to what you posted just thought it was cool.
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[quote=Trainer Monkey;658078][quote=CGM;658076]<Yeah on Witherspoon. Was never quite sure what happened to him. Even in defeat against Holmes he looked real good. But then he just kind of faded away slowly. Lack of ambition? Drugs?>
I saw a Tim Witherspoon interview on TV a while back, discussing about the difficulties of boxers to get fair share with their fight purses.
In the interview, Witherspoon expressed a passionate "hate" towards Don King whom he viewed as primarily responsible for his dismal ring underachievements. He as champion, was perceived to have earned millions, or at least gained some personal comfort from the monies earned. Wrong! Nothing farther from the truth!
For, as he stated, he never got any substantial money after the fights, making him always hungier for the next, and the next one after that. (apparently a DK strategy) The perks, unsolicited, like cars and expensive lodgings, dinners and the like.... are always subtracted later on to diminish his winnings, leaving him always with almost nothing. Perpetually fighting for peanuts at best, and for just accommodations at worst.
He tried the courts to get DK to hand him his fair share, but I believe the courts likewise never quite delivered for him.
DK is the "Flaw in Boxing".
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