Just rewatched Bute-Andrade

[thewhale]

yep, he was gone. Does anybody know if Andrade is getting the rematch ?

Eventhough he was out boxed/judge in most of the fight he would have an psycological advantage if they meet againg

[JazMerkin]

Just thinking about this fight pisses me off. One of the most obvious instances of corruption that I've seen in Boxing.

[Wayne]

If I were Andrade in the rematch I would insist before the fight that the ref watch for excessive holding. I think the fight would have taken on a completely different tone had that not been allowed. Bute would have been kayoed 2-3 rounds sooner.

[Hunter]

I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....

If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...

In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....

[CFH]

I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....

If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...

In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....

That's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.

[No Contest]

I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....

If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...

In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....

That's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.

If thats the case, at the end of the round than it's Bute's win, I was under the impression when you can't be saved by the bell you have to do the normal gloves up walk forward any knockdown even the last 2. seconds.

[CFH]

I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....

If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...

In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....

That's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.

If thats the case, at the end of the round than it's Bute's win, I was under the impression when you can't be saved by the bell you have to do the normal gloves up walk forward any knockdown even the last 2. seconds.

I'll try and find the rule for you.

[iwng100]

I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....

If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...

In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....

That's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.

Hi mate,
I watch this fight about 3 or 4 times and the final round more than 10 times and I think that the referee had to stop it somewhere between 2’20” – 2’40” of the 12th. Like Killersheep said the referee was not doing any favors to Bute, allowing so much punishment and mostly the last punch it was really crime; and that was happening just a few days after one young Mexican fighter(I forgot his name) died because of a KO.
All the discussions about what were happening after, how long the count was or if Bute was capable to continue after the count, I think are pointless.
I do agree with you that people overreacting and by the letter of the law M.B.R. didn’t do anything completely wrong, I think he just use the regulation and he walk on the edge of it to help Bute but in my eyes Lucian lost this fight. And believe me, I’m a big Bute fan.

[CFH]

I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....

If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...

In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....

That's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.

Hi mate,
I watch this fight about 3 or 4 times and the final round more than 10 times and I think that the referee had to stop it somewhere between 2’20” – 2’40” of the 12th. Like Killersheep said the referee was not doing any favors to Bute, allowing so much punishment and mostly the last punch it was really crime; and that was happening just a few days after one young Mexican fighter(I forgot his name) died because of a KO.
All the discussions about what were happening after, how long the count was or if Bute was capable to continue after the count, I think are pointless.
I do agree with you that people overreacting and by the letter of the law M.B.R. didn’t do anything completely wrong, I think he just use the regulation and he walk on the edge of it to help Bute but in my eyes Lucian lost this fight. And believe me, I’m a big Bute fan.

I can see the merit in Killer's argument, to be honest I'm not sure how I feel about it though; I can understand both sides of it. It kind of reminds me of the ever-present Chavez - Taylor argument.

As I've said, I feel the reffing was terrible, for whatever reason, and I feel that there should be a rematch in a neutral location with a different ref (obviously). However, confining the argument to the knockdown and what occurred after, I feel my point stands.

I'm not a big Bute fan at all, not sure why. In fact, the only Canadian fighter I really like is Molitor. I guess I'm not much of a nationalist, though if there was ever a decent fighter from B.C. (yeah right), I'm sure I'd cheer for him.

[Spicoli]

Defiantly do not want to kick this one off again but Did Andrade appear sluggish and weighty to any one else last time out?Needs that unbridled,unrelenting pressure...take even the slightest chance of needing a few more seconds out of the 'officials' hands.Then again,it was all stacked against him in Butes backyard....sort of like going into a knife fight with a spreader knife.

[CutMeMick]

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