Espn's showing of the good prospects.

[Taeth]

This is about Victor Ortiz winning prospect of the year, but as you go down there are all their other prospects, and its a big list, with a lot of really skilled fighters.

here is the list
ESPN - Dan Rafael: ESPN.com's Prospect of the Year

[killersheep]

This is about Victor Ortiz winning prospect of the year, but as you go down there are all their other prospects, and its a big list, with a lot of really skilled fighters.

here is the list
ESPN - Dan Rafael: ESPN.com's Prospect of the Year

Definately a lot of hopeful talent there. I'm liking Danny Jacobs he should be making a big impact by the end of 2009.

[Hunter]

When I read Ortiz was prospect i the year I was really surprised...

Not sure what he did, who he beat to rank above guys like Angulo, Gamboa, Andrade, Dirrell.....

But I do agree there are some exciting new fighters coming up the ranks!!!

[Trainer Monkey]

Solis should be damned good,but only question is how old is he really. Cuban athletes are notorious for fudging a few years off their age

[amat]

I agree I was also really surprised at Ortiz being made prospect of the year, I think he has had a couple years beforehand that rank better then is 2008 where he really hasn't done much at all in the way of stepping up.

I think it's Dirrell who has had the best year of any prospect especially considering people thought he had blown his shot completely after his fight with Curtis Stevens where people were asking to never put him on TV again.

[El Kabong]

Solis should be damned good,but only question is how old is he really. Cuban athletes are notorious for fudging a few years off their age

And their heavyweights have never been that great

[Taeth]

You mean guys like Teofilo Stevenson and Felix Savon? They weren't that great?

[El Kabong]

You mean guys like Teofilo Stevenson and Felix Savon? They weren't that great?

Did they beat the greatest fighters of their times?? NOOOOOOOOO they were 30 year old men fighting teenagers in the Olympics and Goodwill games!

When they did have pro heavyweight prospects they haven't amounted to much is all I was trying to say... Juan Carlos Gomez?!?!? BAH

[Taeth]

He was a light heavyweight lol, Teofilo was considered an equal to Ali by many, and was a great fighter for sure, it was pretty easy to see great size, speed, power.

Felix Savon even though he was fighting guys, one punched guys like David Tua and Lamont Brewster. Who does that?

[El Kabong]

Yes but those guys also lost AMATEUR bouts Savon lost to Ruslan Chagaev TWICE

[Taeth]

You know nothing, honestly watch him in his prime. He had 362 fights and lost 21 of them.

He beat Golota, Mercer, Briggs, Kirk Johnson, David Tua(one punch KO, he was 24), Brewster, Krasniqi, Solis, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Michael Benett. ALl in all he was a great heavyweight who would have rocked a lot of the best heavyweights in the 90's.

[El Kabong]

There is a HUGE difference between amateur and the pros as people like Audley Harrison and Amir Kahn have found out

[Taeth]

WATCH THEIR FIGHTS, There wasn't a huge difference when Teofilo used to be an amateur... there was no headgear and Felix Savon fought in 92 omypics when the amateur program was still strong.

Audley Harrison and Amir Khan are nothing like either of these two.

[El Kabong]

Yes I know when they fought and I have seen them there is still a huge difference in amateur boxing and professional boxing.

Stevenson and Savon were great boxers but great AMATEUR boxers and there is a difference. They both fought in the amateurs until they were 30 some years old meanwhile guys who are 18-20 years old are competing vs them. I am not going to say they would totally suck as professionals but they wouldn't beat the best competition that was out there at the time.

Do you see Stevenson beating: Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton?

Do you see Savon beating: Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson

[Taeth]

I honestly do.

I see Teofilo who was so big and fast giving anyone in the history of the sport a difficult time, Ali wasn't great against awkward boxers(Norton) and Foreman was too slow and would be outboxed.

Felix Savon, his power and size, and boxing ability make me think he would handle Holyfield and Tyson extremely well, I think he would have difficulties with Bowe even though he would stop him early, and I think he would give Lewis all he could handle.

They weren't always 30 years old by the time they fought at the highest level of the sport, both of them were in their early 20's when they won their first gold medals