Relationships revolve around women

[Kev]

It's a complete misunderstaning of the dynamics of relationships to think that a woman can pull a man for sex

Then I guess I have been lucky to have some women in my life be the aggressors when it comes to sex only to have me reject their offers. Am I an Adonis? Far from it. It's just that the opportunity presented itself like that.

You've totally misunderstood my point Chino. Lot's of girls think they can pull guys and are pleased with themselves when they get laid.

But as I said this is a complete misunderstanding of human dynamics. When it comes to one night stands, man is the hunter, women the prey.

Any girl who think's she's pulling a guy is just deluding herself. Unless she is repulsive physically (and even then it's often not fatal) the guy will fuck her if she asks. It has nothing to do with him liking her or her 'pulling' him it's just that that's what men are biologically programmed to do.

Imagine a worm that boasted to it's friends (ok I know it would be dead but hypothetically) that birds loved it and every Robin it had approached had eaten it, as if that made it special. It would just be a very sad and stupid worm.

Likewise girls who approach men in a club to try and get laid for a self esteem boost are generally just low value or unnattractive girls, being forced to offer themselves in exchange for nothing to get attention.

A girl shouldn't boast about having lots of one night stands with men any more than a man shouldn't boast about being saddled with the same woman for 10 years and being completely under the thumb.

[CGM]

Age has a lot to do with it. As I, and the sort of women that get my attention, get older, I find the women more willing to buy the first drink, make their feelings known, etc. Who does what becomes a lot less of an issue.

[Chino]

Bilbo,
So you can't see a girl getting turned on by a guy and going after him for sex, her being the hunter? Heheheh! My self-esteem is going down darn it! :P I've had a few girls in the past be the aggressors. The ones who bring it up. The ones who just want to get it on. Even worse, I have rejected them.

just that that's what men are biologically programmed to do.

I have read numerous sexology studies out there by Discovery Health, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Kinsey Reports, Masters and Johnson, Dr. Sari Locker, Dr. Ruth, etc. That show that the whole myth about "Men want sex, women don't", "sex is a man thing" is nothing but a myth. Maybe it is more socially acceptable for men to be open about their sexuality while women are looked down upon.

Likewise girls who approach men in a club to try and get laid for a self esteem boost are generally just low value or unnattractive girls, being forced to offer themselves in exchange for nothing to get attention

How about girls that just want to because they are feeling horny and found a nice handsome, well-built, young rich guy with a cool car? We even see this kind of behavior in the animal kingdom. Sure, animals don't really "enjoy" sex as humans (except dolphins if I remember correctly). You see a female bird lifting her tail to the male bird's face who has more stored food. You see the female lion walking all slowly and seductive around the lion who has more land, who's guarding the food, etc. Have two all around nice guys approach a girl but one of them has a cool sports car, lots of money, good job, etc. While the other guy has none of that. Who will walk out of the bar with the girl? :roll:

[Kev]

Bilbo,
So you can't see a girl getting turned on by a guy and going after him for sex, her being the hunter? Heheheh! My self-esteem is going down darn it! :P I've had a few girls in the past be the aggressors. The ones who bring it up. The ones who just want to get it on. Even worse, I have rejected them.

just that that's what men are biologically programmed to do.

I have read numerous sexology studies out there by Discovery Health, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Kinsey Reports, Masters and Johnson, Dr. Sari Locker, Dr. Ruth, etc. That show that the whole myth about "Men want sex, women don't", "sex is a man thing" is nothing but a myth. Maybe it is more socially acceptable for men to be open about their sexuality while women are looked down upon.

Likewise girls who approach men in a club to try and get laid for a self esteem boost are generally just low value or unnattractive girls, being forced to offer themselves in exchange for nothing to get attention

How about girls that just want to because they are feeling horny and found a nice handsome, well-built, young rich guy with a cool car? We even see this kind of behavior in the animal kingdom. Sure, animals don't really "enjoy" sex as humans (except dolphins if I remember correctly). You see a female bird lifting her tail to the male bird's face who has more stored food. You see the female lion walking all slowly and seductive around the lion who has more land, who's guarding the food, etc. Have two all around nice guys approach a girl but one of them has a cool sports car, lots of money, good job, etc. While the other guy has none of that. Who will walk out of the bar with the girl? :roll:

You're not getting it mate. Yes we've all had girls come onto us in clubs and been chatted up by them.

But they don't have any long term value as a result. If a girl freely offers herself to a stranger for sex then she's not pulling him, she's just offered herself basically as a sacrifice.

No man (well ok maybe a low value man will) is interested in entering into a relationship with a girl who approached him for sex when they were strangers.

They are are purely one night stand material, a bang, nothing more, because in the process of offering themselves to you on a platter they have destroyed any value that they might have otherwise had.

So I repeat a woman cannot 'pull' a man, i.e entice him to sex because that is his biological job anyway, all she's doing is offering herself without resistance.

The girls' biological role is to 'keep' a man, i.e have him still interested in her after sex. If she goes out and sleeps with strangers on the first night she has no value as a long term partner, at least not with any high value man who has any degree of choice.

[Chino]

Bilbo man,
I think I got your point, correct me if I am wrong. Sure, girls can approach guys simply beause they are horny or whatever but not "pull" them as of getting them interested in them because of that, right? Then yeah, I agree. I am not sure if I want to be with a girl that opened her legs or bend over just because. There are many reasons: if she did that so easily with me imagine when I am not with her, if she was that slutty then maybe she doesn't have any interesting thing in her to catch my attention when we met, etc. We would all have our reasons.
But yeah, some things about relationships really don't make sense to me unless everything revolved around BOTH, not just the woman as the tradition goes.

[Andre]

It's a complete misunderstaning of the dynamics of relationships to think that a woman can pull a man for sex

Then I guess I have been lucky to have some women in my life be the aggressors when it comes to sex only to have me reject their offers. Am I an Adonis? Far from it. It's just that the opportunity presented itself like that.

You've totally misunderstood my point Chino. Lot's of girls think they can pull guys and are pleased with themselves when they get laid.

But as I said this is a complete misunderstanding of human dynamics. When it comes to one night stands, man is the hunter, women the prey.

Any girl who think's she's pulling a guy is just deluding herself. Unless she is repulsive physically (and even then it's often not fatal) the guy will fuck her if she asks. It has nothing to do with him liking her or her 'pulling' him it's just that that's what men are biologically programmed to do.

Imagine a worm that boasted to it's friends (ok I know it would be dead but hypothetically) that birds loved it and every Robin it had approached had eaten it, as if that made it special. It would just be a very sad and stupid worm.

Likewise girls who approach men in a club to try and get laid for a self esteem boost are generally just low value or unnattractive girls, being forced to offer themselves in exchange for nothing to get attention.

A girl shouldn't boast about having lots of one night stands with men any more than a man shouldn't boast about being saddled with the same woman for 10 years and being completely under the thumb.

Trouble begins when you got your night vision beer goggles on.

Chinos right prostitution is cheaper and probably more interesting to some when you add up the whole marriage deal.

Theres a true expression for relationships; Whoever cares less holds the power.

Thats a shame .