Relationships revolve around women

[Chino]

Bilbo,
So you can't see a girl getting turned on by a guy and going after him for sex, her being the hunter? Heheheh! My self-esteem is going down darn it! :P I've had a few girls in the past be the aggressors. The ones who bring it up. The ones who just want to get it on. Even worse, I have rejected them.

just that that's what men are biologically programmed to do.

I have read numerous sexology studies out there by Discovery Health, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Kinsey Reports, Masters and Johnson, Dr. Sari Locker, Dr. Ruth, etc. That show that the whole myth about "Men want sex, women don't", "sex is a man thing" is nothing but a myth. Maybe it is more socially acceptable for men to be open about their sexuality while women are looked down upon.

Likewise girls who approach men in a club to try and get laid for a self esteem boost are generally just low value or unnattractive girls, being forced to offer themselves in exchange for nothing to get attention

How about girls that just want to because they are feeling horny and found a nice handsome, well-built, young rich guy with a cool car? We even see this kind of behavior in the animal kingdom. Sure, animals don't really "enjoy" sex as humans (except dolphins if I remember correctly). You see a female bird lifting her tail to the male bird's face who has more stored food. You see the female lion walking all slowly and seductive around the lion who has more land, who's guarding the food, etc. Have two all around nice guys approach a girl but one of them has a cool sports car, lots of money, good job, etc. While the other guy has none of that. Who will walk out of the bar with the girl? :roll:

[Kev]

Bilbo,
So you can't see a girl getting turned on by a guy and going after him for sex, her being the hunter? Heheheh! My self-esteem is going down darn it! :P I've had a few girls in the past be the aggressors. The ones who bring it up. The ones who just want to get it on. Even worse, I have rejected them.

just that that's what men are biologically programmed to do.

I have read numerous sexology studies out there by Discovery Health, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Kinsey Reports, Masters and Johnson, Dr. Sari Locker, Dr. Ruth, etc. That show that the whole myth about "Men want sex, women don't", "sex is a man thing" is nothing but a myth. Maybe it is more socially acceptable for men to be open about their sexuality while women are looked down upon.

Likewise girls who approach men in a club to try and get laid for a self esteem boost are generally just low value or unnattractive girls, being forced to offer themselves in exchange for nothing to get attention

How about girls that just want to because they are feeling horny and found a nice handsome, well-built, young rich guy with a cool car? We even see this kind of behavior in the animal kingdom. Sure, animals don't really "enjoy" sex as humans (except dolphins if I remember correctly). You see a female bird lifting her tail to the male bird's face who has more stored food. You see the female lion walking all slowly and seductive around the lion who has more land, who's guarding the food, etc. Have two all around nice guys approach a girl but one of them has a cool sports car, lots of money, good job, etc. While the other guy has none of that. Who will walk out of the bar with the girl? :roll:

You're not getting it mate. Yes we've all had girls come onto us in clubs and been chatted up by them.

But they don't have any long term value as a result. If a girl freely offers herself to a stranger for sex then she's not pulling him, she's just offered herself basically as a sacrifice.

No man (well ok maybe a low value man will) is interested in entering into a relationship with a girl who approached him for sex when they were strangers.

They are are purely one night stand material, a bang, nothing more, because in the process of offering themselves to you on a platter they have destroyed any value that they might have otherwise had.

So I repeat a woman cannot 'pull' a man, i.e entice him to sex because that is his biological job anyway, all she's doing is offering herself without resistance.

The girls' biological role is to 'keep' a man, i.e have him still interested in her after sex. If she goes out and sleeps with strangers on the first night she has no value as a long term partner, at least not with any high value man who has any degree of choice.

[Chino]

Bilbo man,
I think I got your point, correct me if I am wrong. Sure, girls can approach guys simply beause they are horny or whatever but not "pull" them as of getting them interested in them because of that, right? Then yeah, I agree. I am not sure if I want to be with a girl that opened her legs or bend over just because. There are many reasons: if she did that so easily with me imagine when I am not with her, if she was that slutty then maybe she doesn't have any interesting thing in her to catch my attention when we met, etc. We would all have our reasons.
But yeah, some things about relationships really don't make sense to me unless everything revolved around BOTH, not just the woman as the tradition goes.