Relationships revolve around women

[Chino]

My last post was more of a joke. I guess wining and dining lets a girl know you think enough of her to go the extra nine yards

CGM,
Sure, but I also want to know she is willing to go the extra nine yards and just accepting to have me take her out and feed her, rub my arm, or sending me a happy face on a text message won't do it. For that, I have my relatives' children I can take out to the movies, to eat, buy them toys, etc.

Myself I was lucky that most of my girlfriends didn't come with high expectations for deluxe treatment

Good to hear that mate! The ones I have felt the most balance/equality so far are Asian girls (not westernized), specially Japanese.

Okay Chino here is where what your trying to say gets confusing.. #1, if you're just trying to bang a girl, you may have to take her to dinner, pay for a few things to get the job done.. that's one situation...

RP33,
Which is prostitution no matter what . Maybe prostitution in a higher scale or something . "I give you something to eat in a fancy place and you give me sex" kind of deal.

but if you're talking about someone who you're dating and you're looking to marry and you STILL feel burdened by these things that need to be done then you need to find another woman...You shouldn't be worried about all of those tasks that you explained if you're with someone you want to be with

Good points . But to find a woman who is willing to have the relationship revolve around both of us, I am not sure if it will be easy to find. We'll see.

[Kev]

but if you're talking about someone who you're dating and you're looking to marry and you STILL feel burdened by these things that need to be done then you need to find another woman...You shouldn't be worried about all of those tasks that you explained if you're with someone you want to be with

Good points . But to find a woman who is willing to have the relationship revolve around both of us, I am not sure if it will be easy to find. We'll see.[/quote]

I think your problem is that you seem to see a girlfriend as someone your trying to be with just so she will have sex with you.

Sex has very little to do with a relationship I find. Once I've been with a girl for a few weeks/months the thrill of sex with them has long since died and you're concentrating on building a life together (actually on trying to hold your ground over what few basic freedoms you have left, the longer a relationship lasts the more of them she takes away)

I'm not saying you don't have sex any more, but it certainly doesn't define the relationship beyond a few months.

If all you want is sex just go to the clubs and bars at the weekend. You don't need to pay them anything, today's modern women are sluts and hoes, at least a large percentage are.

If you are having to take a girl to dinner in order to hope that they sleep with you sorry to say you are just being played.

It kind of sounds to me though that you are just extremely shallow (nothing wrong with that really) and want to skip out on the part where you actually get to know each other and just get down to boning the shit out of them. Most girls at least like to know it's them that you like, and not just the fact that they have some holes you want to fill.

Just consider the dates and meals as building comfort with her. She wants to know your intentions are more than just sex and that you're going to stick around after she's given herself up to you.

[Chino]

I think your problem is that you seem to see a girlfriend as someone your trying to be with just so she will have sex with you

Not really. I have refused sex in past ocassions from girls who were the agressors, the ones who "wanted it". I just didn't.

Sex has very little to do with a relationship I find. Once I've been with a girl for a few weeks/months the thrill of sex with them has long since died and you're concentrating on building a life together

Yeah, sex will die eventually.

If all you want is sex just go to the clubs and bars at the weekend. You don't need to pay them anything, today's modern women are sluts and hoes, at least a large percentage are.

That's right. That is why paying women with dinners/wine for sex or paying them straight out cold hard cash is not my thing. As old fashioned as it may sound and even cheesy/corny I rather have sex when married but to be convinced that marriage is something for me is a bit difficult unless I was a woman .

It kind of sounds to me though that you are just extremely shallow (nothing wrong with that really) and want to skip out on the part where you actually get to know each other and just get down to boning the shit out of them.

Nope, like I said, I have rejected sex from other girls that wanted it. Those girls are gorgeous, in good shape, etc. They asked me right there on the spot if I was sick, depressed, or if I was just gay. I told them that I simply didn't want to. That's it. So sex is just an extra really. I just want things to revolve around BOTH and not just her as tradition dictates it.

Most girls at least like to know it's them that you like, and not just the fact that they have some holes you want to fill

That's right. I also want to know they like me and not just have me as their free dinner, free movies/event, free handiman, free stuff, and wakling ATM.

Just consider the dates and meals as building comfort with her. She wants to know your intentions are more than just sex and that you're going to stick around after she's given herself up to you.

I agree and I wouldn't mind waiting until marriage if necessary. Would dates and meals work as comfort for her? Sure, why not. My girl taking me out on dates and meals FOR ME AS WELL works just the same. Both giving/contributing to the relationship in all aspects and not just me rowing the boat by myself.

Then there are other details where I wonder why its only the guy that has to do it even in the 2000s and even after all the complaining women do about equality: giving the ring, proposing, speeches to both families, and being honored and celebrated at the wedding as much as her. I would faint with a smile on my face if my girl did AT LEAST one of those.