Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny View Post
In the case of Salvador Sanchez, his records certainly tells the tale of a great fighter, but our understanding of his greatness is limited as his career was tragically cut short.

So although I personally feel Quality far outweighs Quantity, there is some logic to the thread.

Quality sure does tell what the fighter is worth...

Taeth might have put it best...

IMO if you fought 12 guys who are all ATG's and thats all you fought, and you beat them all or had a winning record, then IMO you deserve to be near the top.

IMO competition and consistency are the two most important things to define greatness, who can fight the biggest variety and the highest caliber of opposition and still come out on TOP

that is why IMO a guy like Leonard or Duran should be way higher than JCC in the ATG list because they fought and beat better guys even though they fought less guys, and in Duran's case he did much better later on in his career than JCC did........


Those 12 guys can make or break you...Hell we have some ATG ranked fighters that only fought 2 or 3 top caliber opponents....

Take a guy with a short record of 20-30 bouts but put 5 or 6 top names on it and you have to surpass the the guy with 70 fights and 2 top names on it......

We can all step in with hand picked opp and score wins...Perfect example was the Damguaard one I used..

Thomas Damgaard

38-1 28 ko's 71+ KO%...

On paper he looks like a legend in the making....I remember before the fight thinking "Why have I never seen this guy in action?"....Until I took a look at him on boxrec.....

Prime example of how numbers can decieve....

JCC was used originally as an example but out of his 107-6-2 record he has

32 guys with less then 15 bouts...18 with less then 10 wins on their record...after winning his first world title he was still facing guys with 1-14 , 0-0, 4-3, 1-0 type records.....Many of those guys were just for padding...

I am not picking JCC apart here by any means because at the end of the day he is an ATG hands down and there are many others out there who have done the same thing but the example is to show that numbers can not be the basis for the decision of how great a fighter is...


A guy like SRL had only 40 ights all together on his resume but with less then half the bouts of JCC he had on his resume, Duran twice, Hearns Twice, Hagler, Benitez, LaLonde, Terry Norris and Camacho SR, some won some lost but the names are all greats......

Not comparing the two or saying who was a better fighter just showing how the resume gane with numbers can be deciving at times