Yea another Tyson thread..

[JT Rock]

I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..

He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10

Crushed by Holyfield

Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him

[Gandalf]

A fully prepared Tyson beats anyone IMO. Prime Tyson roughs up Holyfield something rotten and Lewis gets sparked in 5. Prime Tyson was that good. Wlad Klit would be sparked in 3. We need that right now.

[Lance Uppercut]

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.

He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.

[ICB]

I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..

He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10

Crushed by Holyfield

Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him

A prime Mike Tyson would of probably lost to Tony Tucker, had Tony Tucker not broken his right hand after the 4th round. Yet he still hung in there for 12 rounds and won 4 rounds. Mike Tyson also almost lost to James Tillis but the knockdown saved him, he also lost his concentration and looked sloppy stopping Jose Ribalta, a guy who stood toe to toe with him for 10 rounds. And this was all in Mike Tyson's prime, people focus too much on his fights against Trevor Berbick, Michael Spinks, and forget his glaring flaws even in his so called "Unbeatable Prime".

[Lance Uppercut]

Also I think it is fair to say he did not have heart(relative to other great heavyweights). He never once came back from adversity in a fight. He was either going to win or he was going to lose.

[Gandalf]

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.

He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.

He shouldnt have lost to Douglas though. He had the tools to be truly good much longer than he was.

[JT Rock]

Also I think it is fair to say he did not have heart(relative to other great heavyweights). He never once came back from adversity in a fight. He was either going to win or he was going to lose.

I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..

He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10

Crushed by Holyfield

Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him

above is my feeling on the subject

[JT Rock]

I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..

He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10

Crushed by Holyfield

Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him

A prime Mike Tyson would of probably lost to Tony Tucker, had Tony Tucker not broken his right hand after the 4th round. Yet he still hung in there for 12 rounds and won 4 rounds. Mike Tyson also almost lost to James Tillis but the knockdown saved him, he also lost his concentration and looked sloppy stopping Jose Ribalta, a guy who stood toe to toe with him for 10 rounds. And this was all in Mike Tyson's prime, people focus too much on his fights against Trevor Berbick, Michael Spinks, and forget his glaring flaws even in his so called "Unbeatable Prime".

I hear you dude, but alot of great fighters struggled with some opposition along the way.. it happens to just about everyfighter

[Fenster]

A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.

And what impact he had on boxing.

I bet without Tyson MANY of us wouldn't have become the crazy boxing lovers we did

[Dark Lord Al]

Tyson was good to watch , but as far as im concerned he fought weak oposition , and still lost Douglas.
His mental flaws were as relivant as a guys lack of power , or speed , fact is he had his shot , and didnt go on to be the very best of all time.
As for the biting of Holyfield , the prick should have been put back in prison and the key thrown away.
Tyson was good but no were near the best HW of all time , let alone best fighter in any division.

[ross]

The reason Mike never came back from adversity is because by the time he was getting beaten he wasnt training like he did or being trained like he did, Mike had such draw he called the shots and could do as he pleased, he had no one with morals or fortitude around him to wise him up, he had Don King keeping him happy.

No fighter has ever ruined a division Like Mike did, he wiped a generation out.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..

He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10

Crushed by Holyfield

Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him

I think this is an important point.
Tyson was a warrior who knew when he was spent and beaten.

I saw two fights where he knew he was beaten.
Holyfield (the bite) and Lewis.
Against Holyfield he was tired, being outboxed and wanted a way out, rather than quit on the stool he tried to do something drastic and in my opinion he somehow thought he could turn the fight around.
Against Lewis he was destroyed, he had nothing left but stayed in the fight because he wanted to go out on his shield rather than quit on his stool.

To beat Tyson you had not only to outbox him, but beat him up, I see no shame in a man getting knocked out.

[KananKrus]

Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!

Tyson could have been unbeatable by his sheer physical attributes alone. The combination of his speed, power, and decent chin, is hard to beat, as it is hard to come by. However, he was a very psychologically challenged individual, due to background or deprivations on a personal level. When his brawn failed, his lack of the cerebral stamina prevented him from extricating himself out of dangerous situations.

In the ring, when tactics and fight strategies are summoned to serve him out of binds, is where these scenarios of inadequacies are severely tested, and likewise, it is here where he will miserably fail. Sadly, he lacked the mental maturity to persevere and overcome, as anyone would of decent fortitude.

His worst nightmare happens, bringing out the worst in him. The untamed beast in him!

After the death of Cus D’ Amato, his handler, and the father-figure Mike never had, I believe he never had anyone for guidance. He never had even at least, a decent corner in boxing matches to rely upon. He was solely “moneybags” to the leeches and parasitic low-lives, dragging him down daily.

Imagine the same burden on his shoulders atop the ring. He already is on a handicap even before his matches begin!

Misunderstood, yet, will forever be unforgotten.

He is the "Pride and Sorrow of Boxing", as Paul Morphy is to chess!

Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!

[BIG H]

A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.

And what impact he had on boxing.

They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.

he wasn't

a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic

It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.

I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.

Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.

As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.

Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo

Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion

[Kev]

Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!

Tyson could have been unbeatable by his sheer physical attributes alone. The combination of his speed, power, and decent chin, is hard to beat, as it is hard to come by. However, he was a very psychologically challenged individual, due to background or deprivations on a personal level. When his brawn failed, his lack of the cerebral stamina prevented him from extricating himself out of dangerous situations.

In the ring, when tactics and fight strategies are summoned to serve him out of binds, is where these scenarios of inadequacies are severely tested, and likewise, it is here where he will miserably fail. Sadly, he lacked the mental maturity to persevere and overcome, as anyone would of decent fortitude.

His worst nightmare happens, bringing out the worst in him. The untamed beast in him!

After the death of Cus D’ Amato, his handler, and the father-figure Mike never had, I believe he never had anyone for guidance. He never had even at least, a decent corner in boxing matches to rely upon. He was solely “moneybags” to the leeches and parasitic low-lives, dragging him down daily.

Imagine the same burden on his shoulders atop the ring. He already is on a handicap even before his matches begin!

Misunderstood, yet, will forever be unforgotten.

He is the "Pride and Sorrow of Boxing", as Paul Morphy is to chess!

Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!

Except Tyson wasn't 5 ft 1, weighing about 80 lbs and he didn't like to dance around woman's shoes

I understand the analagy but you've chosen to compare arguably the most scary, intimidating looking dude in history with a poncy, little child man who was so gay he'd struggle to get into my Baggins Clan.