Thanks alot every one for the input it really helped. I went ahead and got the Reyes 10 oz lace upbag gloves AND THERE GREAT, I have pretty heavy hands and wrapped up hitting a 100lbs Everlast bag i felt nothing. they fit perfectly and are comfortable and i havent even broken them in yet. The only thing that sucked was the $100 i had to pay for them put it was totally worth it. And its true you put these gloves on and you feel like you can knock out king kong.