Heavyweight Division (it's better than you think)

[El Kabong]

Alright we have 4 main titles and 4 different people holding those titles! We also have any number of good boxers and brawlers who haven't had any shots at top competition either because guys like Toney and Ruiz have hogged up the title shots or they haven't applied themselves.

Title Holders
WBA - Nicolay Valuev
WBC - Hasim Rahman
WBO - Sergei Lyakhovich
IBF - Wladimir Klitschko

Top tier contenders
Lamon Brewster
Sam Peter
Sultan Ibrigamov
Calvin Brock
Joe Mesi(perhaps)

Young Stars
Alexander Dimitrenko
Eddie Chambers
Malik Scott
Timor Ibrigamov
Ruslan Chagaev
JD Chapman
Rene Dettwieler
Kevin Johnson
Mike Marrone
Jason Estrada
Alexander Potvetinkin
Chazz Witherspoon

Old Vets
Chris Byrd
James Toney
John Ruiz
Shannon Briggs
Oleg Maskaev
Luan Krasniqi
Danny Williams
Fres Oquendo
Juan Carlos Gomez
David Tua
Jameel McCline
Kirk Johnson
Davaryl Williamson
Sinan Samil Sam

Journeymen and Bums
Tye Fields
Audley Harrison
Domminick Guinn
Lance Whittaker
Larry Donald
Ray Austin
Taurus Sykes
Vinny Maddalone
Brian Minto
Chris Koval
Mike Mollo

With this many fighters and as competitive as this division COULD be it's a shame they aren't fighting each other more. I would like pretty much any of these guys to fight each other. This division could be more exciting than ANY OTHER IN BOXING! The problem is that Don King won't put his top fighters in dangerous fights and other promoters are hesitant to do this as well.

I pose these questions
1) What fights do you want to see? What fights NEED to happen?
2) Of course who would win the proposed match ups?
3) What fights would be bad for the division?
4) What style match ups are good/bad for which fighters?

My answers
1) The title holders NEED to fight!

I want the Young guns to go up against some Top tier contenders or Old Vets

Lamon Brewster-Sam Peter
Sam Peter-Shannon Briggs
Joe Mesi-Sultan Ibrigamov
Alexander Dimitrenko-Luan Krasniqi
Eddie Chambers-Chris Byrd
Ruslan Chagaev-Sinan Samil Sam
Mike Marrone-Kirk Johnson
....just to name a few

2) Sam Peter (TKO, I don't rate the Brewster/McGirt match up, it's bad for his style)
Shannon Briggs (UD, though he gets knocked down legitly once or twice)
Sultan Ibrigamov ( UD, both fighters go down! )
Dimitrenko (UD he has 0 power)
Chambers (UD he's a younger stronger Byrd)
Chagaev (TKO he's younger and stronger)
Marrone (UD he's small and hits the canvas but wins because he's in shape)

3) Of course Byrd-Ruiz is going to be THE worst fight ever, here are more...
Scott-Harrison
Scott-Dimitrenko
Johnson-Williams (battle of the bulge)
Toney-Donald

4) This is a simple question I think the best example is Wladimir Klitschko-Chris Byrd...Chris has lost almost EVERY ROUND HE FOUGHT AGAINST Wlad!
Sam Peter-James Toney
Joe Mesi-Audley Harrison
Sam Peter-Mike Marrone
Fres Oquendo-Nicolay Valuev

[bigragu]

just when I think cutmemick puts out the best post of the day along comes LYLE......excellent post....I think you explaind the hw division to a "T".. to you...

[El Kabong]

Thanks man...really when you look at it this way there are A LOT of intriguing match ups out there...it's a shame they haven't been made yet but it gives me hope for the future.

You have a TON of over and under achievers and the exciting fights are there to be made

[azumir]

Alright we have 4 main titles and 4 different people holding those titles! We also have any number of good boxers and brawlers who haven't had any shots at top competition either because guys like Toney and Ruiz have hogged up the title shots or they haven't applied themselves.

Title Holders
WBA - Nicolay Valuev
WBC - Hasim Rahman
WBO - Sergei Lyakhovich
IBF - Wladimir Klitschko

Top tier contenders
Lamon Brewster
Sam Peter
Sultan Ibrigamov
Calvin Brock
Joe Mesi(perhaps)

Young Stars
Alexander Dimitrenko
Eddie Chambers
Malik Scott
Timor Ibrigamov
Ruslan Chagaev
JD Chapman
Rene Dettwieler
Kevin Johnson
Mike Marrone
Jason Estrada
Alexander Potvetinkin
Chazz Witherspoon

Old Vets
Chris Byrd
James Toney
John Ruiz
Shannon Briggs
Oleg Maskaev
Luan Krasniqi
Danny Williams
Fres Oquendo
Juan Carlos Gomez
David Tua
Jameel McCline
Kirk Johnson
Davaryl Williamson
Sinan Samil Sam

Journeymen and Bums
Tye Fields
Audley Harrison
Domminick Guinn
Lance Whittaker
Larry Donald
Ray Austin
Taurus Sykes
Vinny Maddalone
Brian Minto
Chris Koval
Mike Mollo

With this many fighters and as competitive as this division COULD be it's a shame they aren't fighting each other more. I would like pretty much any of these guys to fight each other. This division could be more exciting than ANY OTHER IN BOXING! The problem is that Don King won't put his top fighters in dangerous fights and other promoters are hesitant to do this as well.

I pose these questions
1) What fights do you want to see? What fights NEED to happen?
2) Of course who would win the proposed match ups?
3) What fights would be bad for the division?
4) What style match ups are good/bad for which fighters?

My answers
1) The title holders NEED to fight!

I want the Young guns to go up against some Top tier contenders or Old Vets

Lamon Brewster-Sam Peter
Sam Peter-Shannon Briggs
Joe Mesi-Sultan Ibrigamov
Alexander Dimitrenko-Luan Krasniqi
Eddie Chambers-Chris Byrd
Ruslan Chagaev-Sinan Samil Sam
Mike Marrone-Kirk Johnson
....just to name a few

2) Sam Peter (TKO, I don't rate the Brewster/McGirt match up, it's bad for his style)
Shannon Briggs (UD, though he gets knocked down legitly once or twice)
Sultan Ibrigamov ( UD, both fighters go down! )
Dimitrenko (UD he has 0 power)
Chambers (UD he's a younger stronger Byrd)
Chagaev (TKO he's younger and stronger)
Marrone (UD he's small and hits the canvas but wins because he's in shape)

3) Of course Byrd-Ruiz is going to be THE worst fight ever, here are more...
Scott-Harrison
Scott-Dimitrenko
Johnson-Williams (battle of the bulge)
Toney-Donald

4) This is a simple question I think the best example is Wladimir Klitschko-Chris Byrd...Chris has lost almost EVERY ROUND HE FOUGHT AGAINST Wlad!
Sam Peter-James Toney
Joe Mesi-Audley Harrison
Sam Peter-Mike Marrone
Fres Oquendo-Nicolay Valuev

Where is Roman Greenberg and Denis Boytsov? Why do you call Eddie Chambers, Malik Scott, Jason Estrada and Chazz Witherspoon for young stars?

[AdamGB]

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[El Kabong]

Sorry azumir, I guess I left them off. I call them "Young Stars" because they are under 30, undefeated and ready to hit the big time with fights vs tougher opposition.

I think Witherspoon is really gonna be tough

[ryanman]

great post lyle,dont know if you remember me,i was banned from the forum,(just as i reached 100 posts).the ban was unjust,anyway ive found a way back in,im just gutted a was banned around the time of the calzaghe fight.I was in manchester that night and wish i could have seen the reaction from the pro-lacy lot on here.do they still exist by the way?

[El Kabong]

Yes there are many fans that stuck by Lacy, I still like him, he was just too young and inexperienced to beat Joe.

Thanks

[AdamGB]

So you got banned and of course you think you shouldn't have been... now you've snuck under the net and instead of keeping quiet about it you're telling every one and challenging the admin's around here...

thats not smart... :P

[ryanman]

i believe the admin have enough sense to know that im so respected,it would damage the board itself to hear of my ban.

[ryanman]

lyle,did you see the froch-magee fight the other night?

[El Kabong]

OK enough about the banning...let's not fuck my thread up with all this jibba jabba foo's

No I sure didn't...now back to the heavyweight division please

[Violent Demise]

i believe the admin have enough sense to know that im so respected,it would damage the board itself to hear of my ban.

Number 20 for telling lies

[amat]

Yes Lacy fans still exist I'm one of them.

[El Kabong]

This is a heavyweight thread if you please....If you would like to post about something else leave my thread and make a new one