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    Default Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time

    Ceferino Garcia is commonly referred to as the inventor of the bolo punch. Though a Filipino boxer named Macario Flores was alos reported to be using the punch in 1924.

    Either way, Garcia and The Kid were the best proponents of it. Sugar Ray Leonard also used it at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Ceferino Garcia is commonly referred to as the inventor of the bolo punch. Though a Filipino boxer named Macario Flores was alos reported to be using the punch in 1924.

    Either way, Garcia and The Kid were the best proponents of it. Sugar Ray Leonard also used it at times.
    Nice to add Ceferino Garcia, to the genesis of the bolo punch. I'm sure you'd get a wink and a thumbs up, from the guy in spirit!


    As for the Greatest Cuban fighter, personally for me it would be Teofilo Stevenson. The guy had a lethal right cross, or overhand right. It is as terminal as a "lethal injection".

    I will credit Stevenson's punches, especially the overhand right, as one with the most "delayed reactionary" KO's results ever IMHO.

    I did not see him turn pro tho'. I think at that time for him to do so, he would have to defect and leave Cuba, which did not fit his plans for his perceived greatness!
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    Default Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time

    Stevenson was born in Jamaica if I am not correct. Makes for an interesting discussion, but I'm not going there.

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    Default Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time

    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Stevenson was born in Jamaica if I am not correct. Makes for an interesting discussion, but I'm not going there.
    Looked it up & yes he was Cuban, although his parents were immigrants from other Caribbean countries.

    Taeth, I was considering putting Rigondeaux in, simply because he is one of those I have actually seen a lot of in my lifetime, but decided against it because I knew I would get stick for the amateurs I had as it is, but for me it was close between him & Ramos.

    On the discussion about Cubans staying in Cuba, I have to say as much as I would have loved to see some of these guys go pro, I have to say I admire the patriotism of some of their fighters. I think particularly of Savon's comments after Don King's $10m offer to him. Anyway I'll leave that topic alone before it gets turned into some debate about Cuba's politics

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    Someone used Mario Kindelan, even though he was a great amateur, maybe the second best ever, he still wasn't as good as Rigondeaux. I don't think you should get any problems putting Rigondeaux up there, I still think based on his record, based on the fact he almost undefeated even against Cuban fighters that he should be one of the best boxers to have ever laced up, its easy to see after watching him fight. He's impossibly fluid, a Roy JOnes Jr type counter puncher, who can do it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Someone used Mario Kindelan, even though he was a great amateur, maybe the second best ever, he still wasn't as good as Rigondeaux. I don't think you should get any problems putting Rigondeaux up there, I still think based on his record, based on the fact he almost undefeated even against Cuban fighters that he should be one of the best boxers to have ever laced up, its easy to see after watching him fight. He's impossibly fluid, a Roy JOnes Jr type counter puncher, who can do it all.
    Yeah I went for both Kindelan & Hernandez as better than him, although I admit this may be that when I was watching all of them (which was when I was a teenager) I tended to be more interested in watching the fighters at higher weights & was more impressed, although I did remember the Rigondeaux as 'the really good little guy with a long name'. It was only really the last Olympics that I started watching fighters below Lightweight with any real interest so this may be why I don't rate him as high as you.

    Also I'm just wondering if you saw Kindelan's final fight with Khan, one of the most blatant set-ups that I've ever seen in giving the fight to Khan so as to set him up nicely for the pros

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    Id go with Kid Chocolate.
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    I've seen it, but I've seen more of 2000 and 2004 olympics Kindelan, and he isn't in Rigondeaux league, he is slower, less skilled as counter puncher, less p4p power, less movement.

    I am not sure when you were a teenager, but Guillermo was 19 when he won his first gold medal in Sidney, and he wasn't well known then, but in 2004 he dominated everyone he fought, and won gold easily. Except for 2 loses when he was 17 and 1 loss when he was 18, he only lost once over the next 6 years until he wasn't allowed to box anymore.

    RIgondeaux developped, faster, lost less,

    Here are Kindelan's accomplishments
    • 1998 World Cup Champion
    • 1999 Pan-American Games Champion
    • 1999 World Champion
    • 2000 Olympic Gold Medalist
    • 2001 World Champion
    • 2003 World Champion
    • 2003 Pan-American Games Champion
    • 2004 Olympic Gold Medalist
    Here are Rigondeaux's career:

    Batamweight national amateur champion from 2000-2006
    World champion (01, 02, 05)
    World cup champ(02, 05)
    Panam champ(03)
    Central American games gold medalist (06)
    Nations Cup cahmpion (06)
    2000 and 2004 gold medalist in the Olympics.

    The biggest difference is that Kindelan was born in 71 and Rigondeaux was born in 1980, yet they competed in the two same olympics, they both were dominant around the same time, but Kindelan wasn't as good at such an early age. Rigondeaux was only 25 when he career was finished, Kindelan was 34, yet Rigondeaux won more international competitions, won just as many gold medals in the Olympics(could have won 4 by the time he got to Kindelan's age). Lost way less.

    Just watch this at 4:39
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXdDhg9lr4k

    Hernandez was good, but he can't compare to either of these two in accomplishments or just purely in terms of skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Stevenson was born in Jamaica if I am not correct. Makes for an interesting discussion, but I'm not going there.

    hHHMM. I am not correct!

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