Yea another Tyson thread..

[Lance Uppercut]

I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...

Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.

He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.

How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.

WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was. Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.

[Creasy]

Iron Mike is the reason I got into boxing. I've always thought firing Kevin Rooney was the beginning of the end for him. The "Pre-Robin Givens Mike" is still the best fighter I've ever seen. Speed, power, defense, and technical boxing ability. Back then he was still an amazing boxer and was tough to hit.

[Kel]

Tyson got me into boxing like many here, but he was always beatable, even in his absolute prime.

He was an awesome fighter to watch though, amazing speed and power. I can't think of another Heavy who punched like Mike, so compact and powerful every punch hurt you.

[JT Rock]

Iron Mike is the reason I got into boxing. I've always thought firing Kevin Rooney was the beginning of the end for him. The "Pre-Robin Givens Mike" is still the best fighter I've ever seen. Speed, power, defense, and technical boxing ability. Back then he was still an amazing boxer and was tough to hit.

Call me weird but I feel a bit taken back that you have adopted the lead characters name of one of the worst Denzel Washington movies ever

Im just playing with you dude

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[ICB]

Iron Mike is the reason I got into boxing. I've always thought firing Kevin Rooney was the beginning of the end for him. The "Pre-Robin Givens Mike" is still the best fighter I've ever seen. Speed, power, defense, and technical boxing ability. Back then he was still an amazing boxer and was tough to hit.

Call me weird but I feel a bit taken back that you have adopted the lead characters name of one of the worst Denzel Washington movies ever

I thought Man On Fire was pretty decent except for some of the weird flashing stuff. In the movie which was a bit off putting, but overall not a bad flick.

[Creasy]

Iron Mike is the reason I got into boxing. I've always thought firing Kevin Rooney was the beginning of the end for him. The "Pre-Robin Givens Mike" is still the best fighter I've ever seen. Speed, power, defense, and technical boxing ability. Back then he was still an amazing boxer and was tough to hit.

Call me weird but I feel a bit taken back that you have adopted the lead characters name of one of the worst Denzel Washington movies ever

I loved that movie Man On Fire. Then again, I've always liked the revenge type movies. Hey, at least I didn't choose "Inigo Montoya" as my name

[JT Rock]

Iron Mike is the reason I got into boxing. I've always thought firing Kevin Rooney was the beginning of the end for him. The "Pre-Robin Givens Mike" is still the best fighter I've ever seen. Speed, power, defense, and technical boxing ability. Back then he was still an amazing boxer and was tough to hit.

Call me weird but I feel a bit taken back that you have adopted the lead characters name of one of the worst Denzel Washington movies ever

I loved that movie Man On Fire. Then again, I've always liked the revenge type movies. Hey, at least I didn't choose "Inigo Montoya" as my name

Hahaha!! Just kidding with you dude, MOF was not that bad of movie, I liked the idea but thought they could have done a lot more with the movie.. Just felt like it fell short of expectation for me...

Again welcome and have some rep

[CGM]

Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.

He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.

How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.

WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was. Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.

So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?

[Creasy]

How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.

WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was. Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.

So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?

Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.

[CGM]

WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was. Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.

So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?

Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.

Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.

[Creasy]

So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?

Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.

Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.

Granted, he beat Ali after a 3 year layoff, but that's still a better win on paper than Iron Mike has on his resume. That being said, I still think Mike woulda whooped Smokin' Joe in both their primes

[CGM]

Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.

Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.

Granted, he beat Ali after a 3 year layoff, but that's still a better win on paper than Iron Mike has on his resume. That being said, I still think Mike woulda whooped Smokin' Joe in both their primes

In which case you'd also have to say that Tyson would whoop the Ali that faced Frazier for the first time. This all starts to get a little weird. But yeah, If I was a betting man, my money would be on Tyson over Frazier also.

My whole point is that it ain't quite so "obvious" that Frazier's resume is much better than Tyson's.

[El Kabong]

Mike Tyson would lose to any all-time great minus maybe Larry Holmes and Floyd Patterson

[ICB]

Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.

Granted, he beat Ali after a 3 year layoff, but that's still a better win on paper than Iron Mike has on his resume. That being said, I still think Mike woulda whooped Smokin' Joe in both their primes

In which case you'd also have to say that Tyson would whoop the Ali that faced Frazier for the first time. This all starts to get a little weird. But yeah, If I was a betting man, my money would be on Tyson over Frazier also.

My whole point is that it ain't quite so "obvious" that Frazier's resume is much better than Tyson's.

I don't know about that Joe Frazier is underrated at times in mythical match ups. He just simply was never the same after that brutal 1st encounter with Muhammad Ali, but that verion of Joe Frazier was a beast. Non stop aggression with non stop body punching, and a hell of a chin and determination.

Mike Tyson could maybe KO Joe Frazier early, because Joe Frazier starts like a turtle. He was always a slow starter which would give a fast starter like Mike Tyson a chance, but theres also flip side that Joe Frazier survives the early onslaught, and wears Mike Tyson down with his body punching. And dishearten's Mike Tyson stopping him late on.