Boxing Powerhouse Countries

[TitoFan]

I've always enjoyed the international flavor of this forum. It is British in origin, but also has plenty of U.S. representation, as well as boxing fans from other countries. There's been several threads on international rivalries, some that I've started, most that I've participated in.

Not only that, we have several veteran, knowledgeable posters, who obviously do their homework and are well-schooled in the history and facts about boxing. And as is to be expected, many of these aren't shy on posting their own P4P lists, with certain authority, I might add.

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Anyway, it occurred to me that my own little island, Puerto Rico, has seen its share of great champions over the years (not that Britkid has seen it fit to include any of them in his top 50). But again, that's what makes boxing so subjective. To me, any list that omits Wilfredo Gomez, Wilfredo Benitez, or Felix Trinidad.... is a little suspect. But that's only my opinion.

But back to the subject. I did a little research of my own, and found something quite fascinating.

I looked through the numbers of past and present boxing champions by country (Boxrec). Then I looked up the population of some of these countries. And lo and behold.... some interesting facts.

Using a little statistic I'll call "Champions per Million People", and looking only at countries that have had at least 10 world champions over history, I arrived at the following rankings:

1. Puerto Rico: 6.32 champs per million people
2. Panama: 6.19
3. U.S.: 1.31
4. Dominican Republic: 1.12

and so on and so forth....

Other notables on the list:

6. Cuba: 0.98
7. Mexico: 0.73
10. Australia: 0.60
11. England: 0.59
14. France: 0.48

Just some interesting facts I wanted to share with the forum.

Great thread nice research

Peurto Rico and Panama have astounding records here, but I wouldnt say that the gap between them and other nations is as great as the figures suggest, if there is even a gap. The USA definitely deserve to be tied top at least, even if many cases can be made against the benefits their fighters receive over others (easier mass publicity, money to entice title holders etc)

P.S You couldnt have fiddled it so England was above Aus no? Damn you

LOL..... CC back at you, AC-Cobra.
Actually, it's amazing how close it was between those two countries. England has the greater number of champs at 35 (Boxrec) vs. Australia's 12. But when the populations are factored in, Australia edges out England by that slightest of margins.

As far as the U.S., it has had the largest number of champions by far (390, according to Boxrec). But again, given its vast population, it works out to a little over 1.3 champs per million people.

[ryanman]

is the w.b.o counted in those stats?because if so i would expect Britain to do a bit better

[bigragu]

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Ha ha ha ha!! this can be seen in many or all of boxers records such as Arguello, Duran, even your own Gomez for his 5th defense of his WBC Super Bantam title he fought Sakad Petchyindee with a record of 2-0-0, he then followed it fighting for his 10th defense against Julio Hernandez who was 2-8-0 it happens in the sport all the greats have done it

I'm gonna stand by my opinion. Among the world's elite, you'll see many of them at the 40, 50 or 60 win mark toward the end of their careers. Many of them begin fighting world-class competition around their 20th fight. When you look at JCC's record, and believe me... I have, the thing that jumps out at you is that he fought maybe 2 or 3 fighters with winning records in his first 40-some fights. And all of them in Mexico. Not exactly a roaring start. Again, not dissing the man. But I like to keep a little perspective.

We've had this talk before TitoFan

I'll stand by mine and say that they are all guilty of doing this....

not ODLH!!!!!!!!! the Americans usually jump up in competition far earlier than other countries fighters...

[ryanman]

shouldnt it be britain in boxing terms?rather than england,wales,scotland,Ni?
officailly the fighters fight under a british flag,they adhere to the rules of the british boxing board of control,which is where their boxing license comes from.

[TitoFan]

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Ha ha ha ha!! this can be seen in many or all of boxers records such as Arguello, Duran, even your own Gomez for his 5th defense of his WBC Super Bantam title he fought Sakad Petchyindee with a record of 2-0-0, he then followed it fighting for his 10th defense against Julio Hernandez who was 2-8-0 it happens in the sport all the greats have done it

I'm gonna stand by my opinion. Among the world's elite, you'll see many of them at the 40, 50 or 60 win mark toward the end of their careers. Many of them begin fighting world-class competition around their 20th fight. When you look at JCC's record, and believe me... I have, the thing that jumps out at you is that he fought maybe 2 or 3 fighters with winning records in his first 40-some fights. And all of them in Mexico. Not exactly a roaring start. Again, not dissing the man. But I like to keep a little perspective.

We've had this talk before TitoFan

I'll stand by mine and say that they are all guilty of doing this....

not ODLH!!!!!!!!! the Americans usually jump up in competition far earlier than other countries fighters...

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any facts to back it up?

[TitoFan]

shouldnt it be britain in boxing terms?rather than england,wales,scotland,Ni?
officailly the fighters fight under a british flag,they adhere to the rules of the british boxing board of control,which is where their boxing license comes from.

It COULD be. But then you'd have to add the population of those countries together in order to keep the same basis for comparison.

[bigragu]

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Ha ha ha ha!! this can be seen in many or all of boxers records such as Arguello, Duran, even your own Gomez for his 5th defense of his WBC Super Bantam title he fought Sakad Petchyindee with a record of 2-0-0, he then followed it fighting for his 10th defense against Julio Hernandez who was 2-8-0 it happens in the sport all the greats have done it

I'm gonna stand by my opinion. Among the world's elite, you'll see many of them at the 40, 50 or 60 win mark toward the end of their careers. Many of them begin fighting world-class competition around their 20th fight. When you look at JCC's record, and believe me... I have, the thing that jumps out at you is that he fought maybe 2 or 3 fighters with winning records in his first 40-some fights. And all of them in Mexico. Not exactly a roaring start. Again, not dissing the man. But I like to keep a little perspective.

We've had this talk before TitoFan

I'll stand by mine and say that they are all guilty of doing this....

not ODLH!!!!!!!!! the Americans usually jump up in competition far earlier than other countries fighters...

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any facts to back it up?

first I want to point out that the great Julio Ceasar Chavez had 45 fights before his first title shot...out of those 45 fights only 10 of those fighters had winning records...also in 20 of those fights the fighters had never won a fight....more facts coming....

[bigragu]

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Ha ha ha ha!! this can be seen in many or all of boxers records such as Arguello, Duran, even your own Gomez for his 5th defense of his WBC Super Bantam title he fought Sakad Petchyindee with a record of 2-0-0, he then followed it fighting for his 10th defense against Julio Hernandez who was 2-8-0 it happens in the sport all the greats have done it

I'm gonna stand by my opinion. Among the world's elite, you'll see many of them at the 40, 50 or 60 win mark toward the end of their careers. Many of them begin fighting world-class competition around their 20th fight. When you look at JCC's record, and believe me... I have, the thing that jumps out at you is that he fought maybe 2 or 3 fighters with winning records in his first 40-some fights. And all of them in Mexico. Not exactly a roaring start. Again, not dissing the man. But I like to keep a little perspective.

We've had this talk before TitoFan

I'll stand by mine and say that they are all guilty of doing this....

not ODLH!!!!!!!!! the Americans usually jump up in competition far earlier than other countries fighters...

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any facts to back it up?

jeff Lacy..title fight in his 12th fight....20 of his 22 opponents had winning records...1 had a losing record...

[TitoFan]

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Ha ha ha ha!! this can be seen in many or all of boxers records such as Arguello, Duran, even your own Gomez for his 5th defense of his WBC Super Bantam title he fought Sakad Petchyindee with a record of 2-0-0, he then followed it fighting for his 10th defense against Julio Hernandez who was 2-8-0 it happens in the sport all the greats have done it

I'm gonna stand by my opinion. Among the world's elite, you'll see many of them at the 40, 50 or 60 win mark toward the end of their careers. Many of them begin fighting world-class competition around their 20th fight. When you look at JCC's record, and believe me... I have, the thing that jumps out at you is that he fought maybe 2 or 3 fighters with winning records in his first 40-some fights. And all of them in Mexico. Not exactly a roaring start. Again, not dissing the man. But I like to keep a little perspective.

We've had this talk before TitoFan

I'll stand by mine and say that they are all guilty of doing this....

not ODLH!!!!!!!!! the Americans usually jump up in competition far earlier than other countries fighters...

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any facts to back it up?

first I want to point out that the great Julio Ceasar Chavez had 45 fights before his first title shot...out of those 45 fights only 10 of those fighters had winning records...also in 20 of those fights the fighters had never won a fight....more facts coming....

I had already done some previous research on that. Matter of fact, as a matter of comparison, I took Tito's career, in which he had a total of 47 fights. In those 47 fights, Tito's opponents had a combined winning percentage of 84% on their records when Tito fought them. By contrast, JCC's first 47 opponents (keeping an even comparison) had a combined winning percentage of a measly 46%. That alone is a VERY telling fact.

[bigragu]

So, although I'm not a walking boxing encyclopedia, I have been around the forum for about a year now, and like to do my research as well. For example, I've chronicled fairly well the statistics that lead me to believe that the great Mexican fighter, Julio Cesar Chavez, although great in his own right, has had his legend overblown with the outrageous numbers that come with fighting tomato cans well into his 40th fight. Not to take away from the man, but facts are facts.

Ha ha ha ha!! this can be seen in many or all of boxers records such as Arguello, Duran, even your own Gomez for his 5th defense of his WBC Super Bantam title he fought Sakad Petchyindee with a record of 2-0-0, he then followed it fighting for his 10th defense against Julio Hernandez who was 2-8-0 it happens in the sport all the greats have done it

I'm gonna stand by my opinion. Among the world's elite, you'll see many of them at the 40, 50 or 60 win mark toward the end of their careers. Many of them begin fighting world-class competition around their 20th fight. When you look at JCC's record, and believe me... I have, the thing that jumps out at you is that he fought maybe 2 or 3 fighters with winning records in his first 40-some fights. And all of them in Mexico. Not exactly a roaring start. Again, not dissing the man. But I like to keep a little perspective.

We've had this talk before TitoFan

I'll stand by mine and say that they are all guilty of doing this....

not ODLH!!!!!!!!! the Americans usually jump up in competition far earlier than other countries fighters...

That's an interesting statement. Do you have any facts to back it up?

RJJ title shot in 20th fight....ODLH title shot in 12th fight...Jermain Taylor in his 16th fight.....Tyrell Biggs in his 16th fight....Mike Tyson...only 20 yrs old and champ..O'neil bell 14th fight....Juan Diaz champ at 21....Eric Harding 16th fight..Fernando Vargas 15th fight...just to name a few....the americans seem to get pushed into the bigger fights faster...It's like "win the title asap"..and too many come up short..not because they lose to a better fighter but definitely a more experience fighters...I think they might burn out after the loss....which leaves room for the other fighters to claim the title...